Tea Party Type On Majority Rule

sudden valley gunner said:

Wouldn't they just then violate that part of the constitution too?........

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IF they were to successfully amend the constitution (the method provided within the constitution) INSTEAD of making laws and attempting to enforce laws that violate the constitution then the laws they want to make would be constitutional. I may not like them but then they would be constitutional.

EMNofSeattle said:

No

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Yeah. No. Majority rule does not protect rights. It guarantees that the majority will take from the minority what it will. Slavery had the support of majority rule in those States where it was legal!

At the risk of being trite and repetitive, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

Give me a republic any day over a democracy. Unfortunately, mainly through misinformation spread in public schools, our Republic has degenerated into a despicable democracy.

Sorry, Ben, we couldn't keep it.

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eye95 said:

Yeah. No. Majority rule does not protect rights. It guarantees that the majority will take from the minority what it will. Slavery had the support of majority rule in those States where it was legal!

At the risk of being trite and repetitive, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

Give me a republic any day over a democracy. Unfortunately, mainly through misinformation spread in public schools, our Republic has degenerated into a despicable democracy.

Sorry, Ben, we couldn't keep it.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DN4r0VUybeXY[/video]


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It depends, I agree to some extent that majority rule should be a concept in use for determining law and powers within the framework granted by the constitution, when it comes to rights... no.

Majority rule brought us slavery, and segregation, and if put up for a vote I have no doubt the internment of AMERICAN citizens of japanese descent would've passed. Just a few years ago the people of alabama voted not to remove segregation from the state constitution. my rights are not up for a vote. and no one's rights should be either....

EMNofSeattle said:

It depends, I agree to some extent that majority rule should be a concept in use for determining law and powers within the framework granted by the constitution, when it comes to rights... no.

Majority rule brought us slavery, and segregation, and if put up for a vote I have no doubt the internment of AMERICAN citizens of japanese descent would've passed. Just a few years ago the people of alabama voted not to remove segregation from the state constitution. my rights are not up for a vote. and no one's rights should be either....

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I would say that what you are advocating is not really majority rule, but a republic with some democratic features, but only those democratic features that the republican design deliberately incorporated, such as the election of representatives. Unfortunately, creeping democracy has taken over so much of the governance of our erstwhile Republic that Rights are no longer protected from a majority of hungry wolves with a taste for minority lamb. With mint jelly. And some fava beans. With a nice chianti.

eye95 said:

Yeah. No. Majority rule does not protect rights. It guarantees that the majority will take from the minority what it will. Slavery had the support of majority rule in those States where it was legal!

At the risk of being trite and repetitive, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.

Give me a republic any day over a democracy. Unfortunately, mainly through misinformation spread in public schools, our Republic has degenerated into a despicable democracy.

Sorry, Ben, we couldn't keep it.



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If you count those oppressed into slavery who were not allowed a vote it was not the majority at all.........not even close.

sudden valley gunner said:

If you count those oppressed into slavery who were not allowed a vote it was not the majority at all.........not even close.

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which brings us to the second rule of majority rule, majority rule, actually means the majority allowed (in practice, becuase in many times throughout history voters have simply been suppressed from voting even if they were technically allowed to) to vote in the first place....

EMNofSeattle said:

which brings us to the second rule of majority rule, majority rule, actually means the majority allowed (in practice, becuase in many times throughout history voters have simply been suppressed from voting even if they were technically allowed to) to vote in the first place....

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Yes it often just means the "stronger party". Since I don't believe in might=right I reject that notion.