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Challenge to the "lesser of two evils" crowd

sudden valley gunner

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I really hope you never have to rely on your observational skills to survive, you'd be up a creek without a paddle.

I can tell you he would survive a lot longer than those who feel they must take from others to make it "fair".

I know defender personally, and consider him a friend so this isn't just hearsay.
 

Jack House

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Hey now, no need to fight so much. We're civilized people. Well, except the commie. Ahem.

I kid I kid, let's just try not to continuously one up each other. :p
 

ManInBlack

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It's funny how anyone that defends socialism is automatically labeled a communist.

You're right; "immoral idiot" is a far more apt description.

Immature also fits; as in, most folks learned not to touch that which doesn't belong to them when they were young children. Socialists have not learned this essential life lesson; therefore, socialists are immature.
 
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PrayingForWar

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You do realize that this is what happens today, don't you? Businesses are allowed to make profits, but those businesses are highly regulated when viewed in historical perspective. Government subsidies, incentives, and other manipulations regulate economic output, and the minimum wage regulates pay rates.

Yes, the difference is in Fascist Italy a single person had the power to dictate, and corporate executives either fell into line or found themselves in unappealing circumstances. Our system favors the corporate status since political power is bought instead of coerced. While I do not like how corrupted our system is, we have no one else to blame. A large voting block of parasites are convinced they do too much for too little (even though lots of them do nothing) and that business owes them something, and the government should use the weapons of the collective to extract it. Fascism was regarded as "the 3rd way" in the 1920's, as a "moderate" compromise between capitalism and marxism. This is where "moderation" gets us.

Yes, because no one ever donates to charity, and wouldn't have even more to donate if the bloodsucking government wasn't taxing them to death. Also, everyone knows that America had a huge problem with people starving to death before the advent of the the welfare/warfare state. :rolleyes:

ETA: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
^Whenever you hear any politician promote "public-private partnerships," your threat radar should be blowing up.

Touche, you're right about charity. Yet that was 3 generations ago. Today our "poor" people tend to be fat and lazy. If all welfare was cut off and the "poor" found themselves at the mercy of private charity that would be forced to limit handouts, and stop expending resources on lost causes, a whole bunch of people would have to be killed in the ensuing riots.

I fear that government will go broke way before TPTB admit it, and that society will break down. That might be the plan though. We'll see.
 

PrayingForWar

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Frankly, you shouldn't be involved in politics period, my dear, until your IQ is higher than your age.

Frankly "sir", you have no business insulting the intelligence of anyone on this forum at least until your mommy removes the plastic bed sheets. PPM has more intellectual understanding of politics in her index finger than the collective of leftist douchebags that programmed you.
 

Animus

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You're right; "immoral idiot" is a far more apt description.

Immature also fits; as in, most folks learned not to touch that which doesn't belong to them when they were young children. Socialists have not learned this essential life lesson; therefore, socialists are immature.

Interesting--isn't sharing taught in most preschools? Socialism is this moral practice taken to its logical conclusion.
 

Animus

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Frankly "sir", you have no business insulting the intelligence of anyone on this forum at least until your mommy removes the plastic bed sheets. PPM has more intellectual understanding of politics in her index finger than the collective of leftist douchebags that programmed you.

An absurd notion from the very beginning considering I've been programmed by no one, nor am I a leftist. Going back to the grid, I would be slightly in the third quadrant with an x value of approximately -4 and a -y value off the charts. Some combination of the terms Anarchist, Libertarian and Progressive would be an accurate description.
 

ManInBlack

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Interesting--isn't sharing taught in most preschools? Socialism is this moral practice taken to its logical conclusion.

You're confused, like most collectivists.

Sharing is a moral practice in which free people willingly give of what they legally own to others out of a sense of goodwill. Socialism is a practice in which those who have the moral propensity to commit theft, but are too cowardly to do so themselves, contract out the dirty work to government employees, who then confiscate the property of others through force and fear, and redistribute it to specially-favored groups.
 
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Animus

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Still wrong. My corrections follow.

You're confused, like most collectivists.

I see you have no respect for differing viewpoints. Good to know that xenophobia is still alive and well in the world.

Sharing is a moral practice in which free people willingly give of what they legally own to others out of a sense of goodwill.

The only true portion of this entire post.

Socialism is a practice in which those who have the moral propensity to commit theft, but are too cowardly to do so themselves, contract out the dirty work to government employees, who then confiscate the property of others through force and fear, and redistribute it to specially-favored groups.

Socialism is actually the practice of free people voluntarily offering their goods and services up to a collective pool which each member of the community may draw from. There are countless iterations of socialism, but this is true for all those I'm currently aware of except one--communism. That is the only form I know of that truly operates through force, the rest rely on voluntary cooperation. Two good examples of socialist practices done right would be the Pilgrims and the Amish. I always thought it ironic that my grandpa would curse socialism in one breath just to fondly look back on a time when the community would come together to rebuild a barn lost in a fire or provide food for a family after the father died in the next. All of you apparently come from the same school of thought.
 
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ManInBlack

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Socialism is actually the practice of free people voluntarily offering their goods and services up to a collective pool which each member of the community may draw from. There are countless iterations of socialism, but this is true for all those I'm currently aware of except one--communism. That is the only form I know of that truly operates through force, the rest rely on voluntary cooperation. Two good examples of socialist practices done right would be the Pilgrims and the Amish. I always thought it ironic that my grandpa would curse socialism in one breath just to fondly look back on a time when the community would come together to rebuild a barn lost in a fire or provide food for a family after the father died in the next. All of you apparently come from the same school of thought.

yawn...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries#Self-proclaimed_socialist_states
[h=2]Self-proclaimed socialist states[/h]
Map showing countries whose constitutions contained some references to socialism (under a non-Marxist definition) at some point in their history.


These are countries whose constitutions make references to socialism, but do not subscribe to Marxist-Leninist ideology. As such, they represent a wide variety of different interpretations of the term socialism. Countries such as Egypt and Libya, for example, have adopted different versions of Arab socialism as their ideology at some point in their history. Tanzania, on the other hand, adopted African socialism as its official doctrine.


CountryFromForm of government
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People's Republic of Bangladesh
16 December 1971Multi-party system
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Cooperative Republic of Guyana
6 October 1980Multi-party system
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Portuguese Republic
2 April 1976Multi-party system
[h=3]Current socialist republics[/h]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44706483/Tax-Evasion-in-Bangladesh
According to the existing laws in Bangladesh, anyone guilty of tax evasion is subject to fines or imprisonment. The penalties for tax evasion are a fine of up to $100,000 and up to fiveyears in prison.


What was that you were saying about people voluntarily offering up their goods and services?
 
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