Optimus Prime
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Mr. Fox has quickly jumped on my list of good people.
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examiner.com - District Attorney declares most state gun laws unconstitutional
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paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
It is ridiculous. Every Western I've ever seen it was people OC'ing who have had duels. We haven't had issues up 'till now. I'm not sure why making CC legal would add to 'Wild West'.
Optimus Prime
Regular Member
I've blogged a little about my dislike of the term before here: http://gunscoffee.blogspot.com/2010/04/wild-west-and-womens-fashion.html
---Anybody who watched the History Channel back when it was about History probably knows that the whole violent aspect of the "Wild" West mythos is widely overblown. Eugene Hollen's book Frontier Violence: Another Look tells us that-
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
Hardly that violent really. Most major cities in the US have far worse murder rates than that, just look at Chicago (a comparatively whopping 15.6 per 100,000), where guns are completely banned! The anti's will continue to equate any widely accepted carry of weapons, open or concealed, to accomplishing nothing but reverting the country (or state, or town, or whatever) back to the "Wild West." Really doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.---
Yet the Anti's insist on using the term.
---Anybody who watched the History Channel back when it was about History probably knows that the whole violent aspect of the "Wild" West mythos is widely overblown. Eugene Hollen's book Frontier Violence: Another Look tells us that-
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.
Hardly that violent really. Most major cities in the US have far worse murder rates than that, just look at Chicago (a comparatively whopping 15.6 per 100,000), where guns are completely banned! The anti's will continue to equate any widely accepted carry of weapons, open or concealed, to accomplishing nothing but reverting the country (or state, or town, or whatever) back to the "Wild West." Really doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.---
Yet the Anti's insist on using the term.
davegran
Regular Member
I sent the following email to DA Fox:
I received a reply from him but since this limitation was sent with it, I don't feel comfortable sharing without his permission.
This email message may contain information that is attorney work product, law enforcement confidential, personal in nature, or otherwise legally privileged, and should not be released for any purpose without written permission in advance. Any unauthorized release, disclosure or other use may result in administrative or criminal sanctions.
Dave
I received a reply from him but since this limitation was sent with it, I don't feel comfortable sharing without his permission.
This email message may contain information that is attorney work product, law enforcement confidential, personal in nature, or otherwise legally privileged, and should not be released for any purpose without written permission in advance. Any unauthorized release, disclosure or other use may result in administrative or criminal sanctions.
Dave
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
M
McX
Guest
tests complete, and 100 percent functional, very, very reassuring to be able to drive home, and have legal, rapidly accessible protection with me. off up north for the weekend. a happy 4th to all!
davegran
Regular Member
I will not risk my life or the safety of my family over laws which go directly against our constitutional rights. An encased and unloaded firearm is merely a paperweight. I've never been carjacked by I'm fairly certain that the badguys wouldn't be willing to wait for one to uncase and load a gun prior to commencing an attack.
I'll have my gun holstered with a full mag and one in the pipe. Judged by 12, not carried by 6. I'll be in your beautiful state for my annual two week escape in just a few days!
I'll have my gun holstered with a full mag and one in the pipe. Judged by 12, not carried by 6. I'll be in your beautiful state for my annual two week escape in just a few days!
denwego
Regular Member
New Article
Milwaukee Sentinel article with slight update: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/97680129.html
Note this quote: "Gilberg said his department will continue to issue citations under city ordinances and seize weapons from people who may think that they can now carry concealed weapons in Black River Falls with impunity."
So, a group of cops is going to start seizing property from people under no authority of law and with no judicial backing... hmm. I suppose it's best that I'm not in that county, after all, because I wouldn't be too forgiving to an armed gang just stealing property because they think they can. Called armed robbery, last I checked... here in Texas, someone might lose an eye trying!
Milwaukee Sentinel article with slight update: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/97680129.html
Note this quote: "Gilberg said his department will continue to issue citations under city ordinances and seize weapons from people who may think that they can now carry concealed weapons in Black River Falls with impunity."
So, a group of cops is going to start seizing property from people under no authority of law and with no judicial backing... hmm. I suppose it's best that I'm not in that county, after all, because I wouldn't be too forgiving to an armed gang just stealing property because they think they can. Called armed robbery, last I checked... here in Texas, someone might lose an eye trying!
bnhcomputing
Founder's Club Member
Read the FULL AP Article.
The BRF Police Chief sounds just like the Milwaukee Chief Flynn did last year.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5joa6fEtvBCLqroNM8q4nJiMQ1tvQD9GN4MS81
The BRF Police Chief sounds just like the Milwaukee Chief Flynn did last year.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5joa6fEtvBCLqroNM8q4nJiMQ1tvQD9GN4MS81
Optimus Prime
Regular Member
That was one of my first thoughts. Followed quickly by how speaking out loudly against your boss can land you in some hot water as certain Generals found out recently.
M
McX
Guest
dave, my kid has one of those 'internet cameras'- electronic camera, what ever it's called. i'll try to get some pics on here, so you can copy my idea. it's not patented or anything, but you can send your best gun to me for payment if you desire.
davegran
Regular Member
anmut
Regular Member
I suggest that everyone send this fella an email thanking him for standing up for our rights.
Doug Huffman
Banned
I imagine that most of us have.
I did and got a nice reply, in part, "I acknowledge this may cost me this seat in 2012, but..."
The mark of civic responsibility and not of politician.
I did and got a nice reply, in part, "I acknowledge this may cost me this seat in 2012, but..."
The mark of civic responsibility and not of politician.
Interceptor_Knight
Regular Member
Optimus Prime
Regular Member
Now that the holiday weekend is more or less over, has anybody seen any statements from other DAs about this?
Spartacus
Banned
Welcome!
I just enjoyed a month in AZ freely carrying everywhere, open and concealed and it was a wonderful experience which I can only hope to duplicate in my home state some day.
I just enjoyed a month in AZ freely carrying everywhere, open and concealed and it was a wonderful experience which I can only hope to duplicate in my home state some day.
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Cobra469
Regular Member
OK so I have a question to fully understand what I may or may not face if I were to carry in a form that the DA said they will not prosecute. I understand that LE can and will still arrest me and seize my firearm. But what kind of ticket can they issue me? Can I contest this ticket based on the DA's decision? Also if they seize my firearm and the DA refuses to press charges are they forced to return my firearm to me or face civil action? Outside of being harassed by the LEOs what specifically might I be faced with?
Long before I would consider making the choice to ignore the laws on the books regardless of if they are prosecutable I need to understand what I might face in the long run. Too many people think that just because the DA says they won't prosecute that nothing outside of harassment will fall upon them. I want to be sure of the possibilities of what I might face at the time. Besides nothing like being out of town and get your only firearm confiscated. Maybe have to bring along a few backups.
Long before I would consider making the choice to ignore the laws on the books regardless of if they are prosecutable I need to understand what I might face in the long run. Too many people think that just because the DA says they won't prosecute that nothing outside of harassment will fall upon them. I want to be sure of the possibilities of what I might face at the time. Besides nothing like being out of town and get your only firearm confiscated. Maybe have to bring along a few backups.
paul@paul-fisher.com
Regular Member
These are educated guesses:
Whichever locality could charge you with a violation of their localities laws. If they have their own prosecutors, they can prosecute you and you will have any forfeiture that is provided in the locality law.
If the 'arresting agency' uses the Jackson county DA as their prosecutor, the referral would be rejected. However, it could be rather inconvenient. If the arresting agency wanted to be difficult, you could be in jail for several days before the DA springs you.
So.... I guess you'd probably want to do your 'crimes' in an unincorporated area of Jackson county.
In addition, I do not believe you would have any standing suing the arresting agency because assuming they don't violate your 4th amendment rights because they are following the law. It is up to the DA to prosecute or not. All the LEO need is PC to charge you.
IANAL.