K so I have heard that venues such as Safeco will not allow CC let alone OC. My argument goes like this, We are a state that stands on old British law, thus meaning if there is no law against it, it is therefore not illegal correct?
If that is the case, there is no law forbidding me from going to a game at a public arena! There are some vague laws about private property but nothing specifies that a private business can refuse you service on public land, therefore neither are they prevented from saying that nor am I prevented from being able to legally carry! Secondly there are laws that require that those with a CC permit be exempt from being barred from places like Safeco! This means then that infact the private business is in violation of preventing me from going to a public venue, I am within my legal rights to carry there, the law affords me protection, and exemption. yet no law backs their rights as a business.
The laws of the state constitution supersede state or business rules certainly one pointed out that they can just refuse me service, Ah I said but they cant, in their contract with the city, they are not allowed to discriminate while retaining the venue, thus this is clear discrimination regardless of what they are discriminating over, it is a protected activity by state law, and they are in violation not only of my civil liberties I said but they are also in violation of their contract.
So would I be safe to say this argument is sound?
in short not illegal for me, laws not only dont forbid it, but they protect that right!
Business operating on public land may not discriminate or their contract is void, there is nothing defining discrimination other than to mistreat a public person who is with in compliance of state, and federal law!
they are on Public land rented or not, and since it is rented land, and nowhere in their contract does it say that the public gives up its constitutional rights per this contract, or civil rights!
in fact there is a law in place that makes it illegal to forbid some one their civil liberties while on public land, and no law that gives them the legal right to do such things on public property!
I believe that if there were somewhere a law allowing them to forbid this legal activity it would be in direct violation to the state preemption, and state laws. I also feel that the way they conduct these illegal acts are in direct violation of the state preemption as it stands now.
K so feed back want to know if this holds weight, and water. I want to have an airtight argument if I ever got to Safeco, because I want to be able not only to defend my right to carry, but also be able to have a legal right to sue them for being violation of my civil rights, and my state constitutional rights. I also would not mind being able to prove they voided their contract, and that unless they stop illegally discriminating against cc that they will not be allowed to renew their contract!
If that is the case, there is no law forbidding me from going to a game at a public arena! There are some vague laws about private property but nothing specifies that a private business can refuse you service on public land, therefore neither are they prevented from saying that nor am I prevented from being able to legally carry! Secondly there are laws that require that those with a CC permit be exempt from being barred from places like Safeco! This means then that infact the private business is in violation of preventing me from going to a public venue, I am within my legal rights to carry there, the law affords me protection, and exemption. yet no law backs their rights as a business.
The laws of the state constitution supersede state or business rules certainly one pointed out that they can just refuse me service, Ah I said but they cant, in their contract with the city, they are not allowed to discriminate while retaining the venue, thus this is clear discrimination regardless of what they are discriminating over, it is a protected activity by state law, and they are in violation not only of my civil liberties I said but they are also in violation of their contract.
So would I be safe to say this argument is sound?
in short not illegal for me, laws not only dont forbid it, but they protect that right!
Business operating on public land may not discriminate or their contract is void, there is nothing defining discrimination other than to mistreat a public person who is with in compliance of state, and federal law!
they are on Public land rented or not, and since it is rented land, and nowhere in their contract does it say that the public gives up its constitutional rights per this contract, or civil rights!
in fact there is a law in place that makes it illegal to forbid some one their civil liberties while on public land, and no law that gives them the legal right to do such things on public property!
I believe that if there were somewhere a law allowing them to forbid this legal activity it would be in direct violation to the state preemption, and state laws. I also feel that the way they conduct these illegal acts are in direct violation of the state preemption as it stands now.
K so feed back want to know if this holds weight, and water. I want to have an airtight argument if I ever got to Safeco, because I want to be able not only to defend my right to carry, but also be able to have a legal right to sue them for being violation of my civil rights, and my state constitutional rights. I also would not mind being able to prove they voided their contract, and that unless they stop illegally discriminating against cc that they will not be allowed to renew their contract!
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