Pro Gun Club (Desert Hills) no longer allowing OC at the bar

The Big Guy · Feb 28, 2013

MAC702 said:
I'm the OP. Don't worry about a hijack.

BRPC really pissed me off last year and I didn't renew. I had NEVER brought students out there, because it is a non-commercial range, and I am not licensed in Boulder City. But I did a FREE class for the employees of a gun shop last year, and we went there to shoot. Not only did they kick me out for the day, even after acknowledging my intentions, but told me I had to go through orientation again (for purely punitive reasons). I never went back at all and did not renew my membership. It's their club. I may have been a little wrong, but they were A-HOLES about it.

And the range officer that day violated several NRA safety rules including sweeping both himself and me with his loaded unholstered sidearm. And it wasn't the first time. Some of their ROs have a bad reputation for safety, others for being dicks. But I'm the one that gets kicked out for the day. Mostly because I'm a nice guy that doesn't argue.

That said, I use to like their facility. My arrangement with Pro Gun Club allows me to bring students there and so I live with the disavantages, such as only one rifle bay that has to be shared. But they are growing constantly.

So to answer your question, you will not be able to shoot the day you join, unless you are the guest of another member, or you are using the Courtesy Range. Orientation is the first Saturday of every month (at least while they are still accepting applications (which is not all year).

I had an irritating experience with one of the RO's once also. It was an old guy who was bound and determined that I couldn't scrounge brass. I told him that I always pick up brass and have never heard that before. He told me they had an agreement with someone who got all the brass for emptying the trash barrels and carting it up to the dump. I told him that it was the first I ever heard of it. My family and I when we go shooting always clean up the pit we are shooting in. All the trash and brass. We leave it better than we found it. It was a bit of a heated "discussion". When I got home I looked up the range rules and found where not only did it not say we couldn't pick up brass, it encouraged it. Using this I wrote to the club and complained. They told me it would handled. It must have been as I never saw him again. All the other RO's I have dealt with seem very nice and accommodating.

Mac you're too easy going. It is not "their" club, it's ours, the members. What the hell were they doing with their firearms out to be waving them around? That is worrisome indeed.

TBG

elga · Feb 28, 2013

I shoot at Pro Gun Club about 3-4 times a month and love it there. The girls at the counter as well as the ROs are always very nice and accommodating. I open carry everywhere inside, but have yet to have a drink or eat at the bar so never really noticed that rule - that sucks, who complains about seeing guns at a gun range?! Those people have no business being at the range in the first place.

Always find it interesting when a place that is either selling guns or is a gun club / shooting range does not allow open carry - a quick way to lose my business. Not sure about this one though, it's the best range I've found with the nicest staff... hopefully they change their policy before I'm forced to reconsider membership.

Have you talked to anyone there yet Mac?

MAC702 · Feb 28, 2013

elga said:
I shoot at Pro Gun Club about 3-4 times a month and love it there. The girls at the counter as well as the ROs are always very nice and accommodating. I open carry everywhere inside, but have yet to have a drink or eat at the bar so never really noticed that rule - that sucks, who complains about seeing guns at a gun range?! Those people have no business being at the range in the first place.

Always find it interesting when a place that is either selling guns or is a gun club / shooting range does not allow open carry - a quick way to lose my business. Not sure about this one though, it's the best range I've found with the nicest staff... hopefully they change their policy before I'm forced to reconsider membership.

Have you talked to anyone there yet Mac?

Well, they know my feelings, yes. Interestingly, I was there last week, instructing as normal. I still open carry at all times there (the sign just says while at the bar) as do many. So one of the girls is petting my dog (who comes often) and I'm refilling my coffee (which is next to the bar). I got hassled about carrying IN THE BUILDING while I was refilling my coffee. I was surprised. I showed my surprise in my voice as I said I was only refilling my coffee. He snapped back: "Well, now you're just splitting hairs!" It REALLY annoyed me. But I'm now getting half of my business from the other membership, and the only way left for me to fight back is educating every one of my students as best I can.

That, and I stopped spending money at the bar. The girls have probably noticed.

They need a lot more people, especially members, to let them know how ridiculous it is. I've got my own target stands. I'm going to start taking some students to the quarry.

TrmptPlyr · Feb 28, 2013

MAC702 said:
They need a lot more people, especially members, to let them know how ridiculous it is. I've got my own target stands. I'm going to start taking some students to the quarry.

Well hopefully they read this, because I had cash in hand this morning and was itching to go join... Not gonna happen now... At least until tey change their policy... I don't appreciate those who pretend to support gun rights but turn around and pander to the fear mongers...

Mac, PM me your contact details, I'd like to talk to you about some training...

The Big Guy · Feb 28, 2013

MAC702 said:
Well, they know my feelings, yes. Interestingly, I was there last week, instructing as normal. I still open carry at all times there (the sign just says while at the bar) as do many. So one of the girls is petting my dog (who comes often) and I'm refilling my coffee (which is next to the bar). I got hassled about carrying IN THE BUILDING while I was refilling my coffee. I was surprised. I showed my surprise in my voice as I said I was only refilling my coffee. He snapped back: "Well, now you're just splitting hairs!" It REALLY annoyed me. But I'm now getting half of my business from the other membership, and the only way left for me to fight back is educating every one of my students as best I can.

That, and I stopped spending money at the bar. The girls have probably noticed.

They need a lot more people, especially members, to let them know how ridiculous it is. I've got my own target stands. I'm going to start taking some students to the quarry.

Mac isn't it owned by some big hotel/casino magnate? That might be the reason as those folks don't seem to care too much for individual 2a rights.

TBG

MAC702 · Feb 28, 2013

TrmptPlyr said:
Well hopefully they read this, because I had cash in hand this morning and was itching to go join... Not gonna happen now... At least until tey change their policy... I don't appreciate those who pretend to support gun rights but turn around and pander to the fear mongers...

Mac, PM me your contact details, I'd like to talk to you about some training...

Now, I will say this. It is their private business and the manager can make a business decision as to what is best for his business. If I am truly in the minority, and there truly are members who were so scared of a visibly armed patron in a gun range lounge, then I won't say he doesn't support our gun rights. But I do personally believe it was a decision that has cost him more money than saved him (that part is probably 0), and that doesn't include lost tips to the girls.

I've done a lot of training there these past two weeks. And then I leave and go elsewhere. That's a lot of lost revenue to the bar.

MAC702 · Feb 28, 2013

The Big Guy said:
Mac isn't it owned by some big hotel/casino magnate? That might be the reason as those folks don't seem to care too much for individual 2a rights.

Owned by the same outfit that owns the Olympic Garden cabaret and the big taxicab conglomerate; I dunno what else. But it was the recently new manager (friend of owner to some degree, I don't really keep track of their relationships) that made the policy change. The wealthiest members own some of the resorts and major construction companies and utilities in town, though. Some of them are taking my class in a month. The subject always comes up when we discuss possession laws.

MAC702 · Mar 1, 2013

davidmcbeth said:
If everyone came OC .. he is going to kick out everyone? I doubt it.

That would look great, if it were a group of people that didn't know and didn't see the sign (which is no longer conspicuous).

Bmeierholtz · Mar 1, 2013

Here is a thought to ponder guys. What if someone who used to, or still does frequent that establishment were to copy this thread and take it to the manager and let him actually see this is hurting in more ways than he can think of?
Here in Winnemucca, all we have is a spot to shoot that is uncovered, no attendants, one building with bathrooms (that I have yet to see unlocked), a skeet area, 400 yd rifle range, and two pistol ranges. Not much of a place to shoot, but we can't be choosy here.

DVC · Mar 1, 2013

Bmeierholtz said:
Here is a thought to ponder guys. What if someone who used to, or still does frequent that establishment were to copy this thread and take it to the manager and let him actually see this is hurting in more ways than he can think of?
Here in Winnemucca, all we have is a spot to shoot that is uncovered, no attendants, one building with bathrooms (that I have yet to see unlocked), a skeet area, 400 yd rifle range, and two pistol ranges. Not much of a place to shoot, but we can't be choosy here.

I've been to your range. One thing that showed me how far it is from big cities is that none of the signs had bullet holes in them (not even the ones saying not to shoot toward the dump on the next hill).

DVC · Mar 1, 2013

MAC702 said:
That would look great, if it were a group of people that didn't know and didn't see the sign (which is no longer conspicuous).

It would be even less conspicuous if someone was standing in front of it yakking on a cell phone when you folks arrived.

Bmeierholtz · Mar 2, 2013

DVC said:
I've been to your range. One thing that showed me how far it is from big cities is that none of the signs had bullet holes in them (not even the ones saying not to shoot toward the dump on the next hill).

We are so far out of the mainstream that I doubt there are even half a dozen members of this forum in my area. I have a hard time attending the rallies down in the south part of the state and feel almost useless here. Missed the one in Reno recently because of a schedule conflict, but I am still hanging around and OCing!

DVC · Mar 2, 2013

Bmeierholtz said:
We are so far out of the mainstream that I doubt there are even half a dozen members of this forum in my area. I have a hard time attending the rallies down in the south part of the state and feel almost useless here. Missed the one in Reno recently because of a schedule conflict, but I am still hanging around and OCing!

Humboldt County is pretty much vacant, but has some interesting history. I've been up to the old radar site a few times, and that's when I saw your range there.

I stopped in the Raley's once, and noticed that both Chinese restaurants are in their shopping center. I asked the cashier at the store which was the good one, and he pointed to the one near the street and said "Not THAT one!" I've been to the other several times, and found no reason to try the one he pointed at.

Bmeierholtz · Mar 2, 2013

DVC said:
Humboldt County is pretty much vacant, but has some interesting history. I've been up to the old radar site a few times, and that's when I saw your range there.

I stopped in the Raley's once, and noticed that both Chinese restaurants are in their shopping center. I asked the cashier at the store which was the good one, and he pointed to the one near the street and said "Not THAT one!" I've been to the other several times, and found no reason to try the one he pointed at.

You made a wise decision. I have been in Winnemucca 10 years now, visited that place one time, and it was too many.

DVC · Mar 2, 2013

Bmeierholtz said:
You made a wise decision. I have been in Winnemucca 10 years now, visited that place one time, and it was too many.

I had the lunch special at the good Chinese place a few times, usually OC, not only no problem, but the guy running the place talked guns with me.

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