Am I understanding this correctly?

FreeInAZ said:

You can open carry without a cpl(on foot). If asked by private property owners to disarm you must comply or leave.
You can only conceal carry on your own property in MI without a cpl! No where else period. Looks like you will have little choice from your post above but to wait out your appearance before the macomb GB. Once you have that silly blue card you are safe to conceal.

You should try to catch a open carry seminar. Michigan open carry does them in most of MI. If you're in Detroit- there are some seminars held at churches and community centers by the Detroit 300 group.

Good luck! Yet another example of why MI needs constitutional carry. No one should have to worry about getting killed why they wait for a gun board!

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RyNinDaCleM said:

Hello all!
Newb here at OC. Please excuse me if this has been asked before, it's hard to find threads that are so specific to my question.
While I am an open carry advocate for reasons stated around here by many, I have completed my CPL class and await my appearance before the Macomb county board to finalize my license. I have a situation...

I am a residential construction contractor. I will be working in the #1 "most dangerous neighborhoods in America" (as seen here), on the exterior of many homes.

So my question...
According to the Michigan law;

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CARRYING

    It is unlawful to carry a handgun concealed on or about one’s person or concealed or openly in a vehicle without a license to carry a concealed pistol. 

    A Michigan license is not required:

        -To transport a pistol unloaded and in a container in a trunk of a vehicle or, if the vehicle has no trunk, the pistol is in a container and is not readily 
          accessible to the occupants of the vehicle, provided that the pistol is being transported for a lawful purpose.

        -To carry in one’s dwelling house or [B]place of business[/B] or on one’s own land.
        
        -Carrying an antique firearm, unloaded and in a container in the trunk of a vehicle.
        
        -When a person who is licensed to carry a concealed pistol in the state of his residence, 
          except where the pistol is carried in nonconformance with a restriction appearing on the license.

        -When a person is a law enforcement officer.

Considering that this is my place of business for the next two weeks or so, Is it safe to say I can carry concealed while I am working on this project? It's more of a safety concern of mine. I would normally just open carry, but I'd feel like the target if something goes wrong.

I would rather not end up with a felony for CCW and lose my right to own firearms should the police pull up and I am completely off base with my understanding here.

Any experience with such a matter would be greatly appreciated!

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FreeInAZ said:

Macomb Co GB has been doing this crap for years. They insist all applicants appear before them.

While this is not required by law, most people just go along to get along. I know of one person who simply said "I meet all requirements per MCL. Issue my permit." They did.

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RyNinDaCleM said:

I would rather not end up with a felony for CCW and lose my right to own firearms should the police pull up and I am completely off base with my understanding here.

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RyNinDaCleM said:

Hello all!
Newb here at OC. Please excuse me if this has been asked before, it's hard to find threads that are so specific to my question.
While I am an open carry advocate for reasons stated around here by many, I have completed my CPL class and await my appearance before the Macomb county board to finalize my license. I have a situation...

I am a residential construction contractor. I will be working in the #1 "most dangerous neighborhoods in America" (as seen here), on the exterior of many homes.

So my question...
According to the Michigan law;

Code:

CARRYING

    It is unlawful to carry a handgun concealed on or about one’s person or concealed or openly in a vehicle without a license to carry a concealed pistol. 

    A Michigan license is not required:

        -To transport a pistol unloaded and in a container in a trunk of a vehicle or, if the vehicle has no trunk, the pistol is in a container and is not readily 
          accessible to the occupants of the vehicle, provided that the pistol is being transported for a lawful purpose.

        -To carry in one’s dwelling house or [B]place of business[/B] or on one’s own land.
        
        -Carrying an antique firearm, unloaded and in a container in the trunk of a vehicle.
        
        -When a person who is licensed to carry a concealed pistol in the state of his residence, 
          except where the pistol is carried in nonconformance with a restriction appearing on the license.

        -When a person is a law enforcement officer.

Considering that this is my place of business for the next two weeks or so, Is it safe to say I can carry concealed while I am working on this project? It's more of a safety concern of mine. I would normally just open carry, but I'd feel like the target if something goes wrong.

I would rather not end up with a felony for CCW and lose my right to own firearms should the police pull up and I am completely off base with my understanding here.

Any experience with such a matter would be greatly appreciated!

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RyNinDaCleM said:

Hello all!
Newb here at OC. Please excuse me if this has been asked before, it's hard to find threads that are so specific to my question.
While I am an open carry advocate for reasons stated around here by many, I have completed my CPL class and await my appearance before the Macomb county board to finalize my license. I have a situation...

I am a residential construction contractor. I will be working in the #1 "most dangerous neighborhoods in America" (as seen here), on the exterior of many homes.

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Considering that this is my place of business for the next two weeks or so, Is it safe to say I can carry concealed while I am working on this project? It's more of a safety concern of mine. I would normally just open carry, but I'd feel like the target if something goes wrong.

I would rather not end up with a felony for CCW and lose my right to own firearms should the police pull up and I am completely off base with my understanding here.

Any experience with such a matter would be greatly appreciated!

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(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

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davidmcbeth said:

Welcome to the board. Your concern seems genuine and well founded. I suggest you seek out legal consul to get answers regarding your desired behavior and its possible legal consequences if you still wish a legal answer to a legal question.

Here, we provide our thoughts on the answers to such thing but we only give opinions and not legal advice.

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Big Gay Al said:

You might want to check in with MGO forum. They have a section called "Legal Beagle Corner" where your questions are usually answered by lawyers.

http://www.migunowners.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?180-Legal-Beagle-Corner

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SpringerXDacp said:

That dog ain't gonna hunt.

Until you obtain your CPL, pay close attention to at least three statutes and not always from excerpts provided by the NRA, MSP, ETC:

1. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(eu...eg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-227



See the above Bold. A dwelling you're working on, for example, is not property/other land "possessed" by you.

2. Lawful transport without CPL:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(o0...g.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-231a

3. Firearms prohibited on premises without a CPL or owner/agent permission:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kh...g.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-234d

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2. I work as a security guard. Does my profession entitle me to carry a concealed pistol without a license in Michigan as required by my employer?

MCL 750.227 No. You can only carry a pistol while on duty on the premises of your employer and only if it is exposed.

If you wish to carry a pistol concealed, you must obtain a concealed pistol license through the county gun board.

28.425n(2)b This does not prohibit an employer from prohibiting the carrying of the concealed pistol by an employee while in the course of his or her employment with that employer.

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RyNinDaCleM said:

SNIP

I have been reading as much as I can find. The MSP page has a 266 page PDF of the laws which is kind of daunting. Then there is the NRAILA.org which seems to write it differently. So with many conflicting arguments, it's hard to figure out what to live by.

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RyNinDaCleM said:

I found this on the MSP FAQ page;



I take this as; He is at his place of business (like in my OP), and it is NOT legal for him to carry concealed. It was already answered by FreeInAZ, but finding it on the MSP site solidifies it for me.

So, one more question.
Assuming that the pistol is cased and locked up properly for transport, can I take it anywhere I want? (pistol free zones excluded, obviously) I mean, can I take it to work, then open carry it, then at the end of the day, lock it back up apart from ammo/out of reach from occupants of the vehicle and drive home?

Sorry for all the noobness My brain is going to explode from all the reading and processing of info I've been doing.

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FreeInAZ said:

Ryn... providing where you are working (property owners or authorized agent of the owners ) are OK with you OCing, then yes you can carry there. Follow the transport laws to the letter. Make sure the case you use is one designed for the transport of a pistol (not a backpack/toolbox).

Be careful not to load or have in your hands your pistol while in/on or even partially in the vehicle. Example - you load pistol while standing at the tail gate of your truck or trunk of car. You could be charged with a ccw crime. Why? MI law is so vague/warped on what s vehicle is you risk going to jail if a cop/DA/Judge/jury can't apply common sense. So if you want to stay out of trouble follow these steps.

Transport in "transport mode". Have your mags/speed loaders on your belt along with your empty holster. When you get to where you are going - remove your legally cased (unloaded) pistol completely from the vehicle. Try to be relaxed and take the case to the most private area where you parked. Back/front of vehicle away from traffic. Place the case on the ground remove pistol, load safely. Once done, if able take the case with you. It avoids you going back into the vehicle and keeps you clear of officer shady Grady. If you must put the case back into the vehicle, make sure you do not let the holstered pistol break the plane of the vehicle. Do this by using your weak hand to place it inside, making sure to pivot your strong side away from the interior.

It's a pain in the butt - yet it will keep you out of jail, until you get your cpl. After that you're golden. When leaving if you have your case with you at the worksite - simply unload safely and transport as if you were going on a trip. If not reverse steps above.

Good luck and stay safe.

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RyNinDaCleM said:

Thank you very much! These laws are writen as bad as tax forms. They write them in a way that you are sure to screw something up.

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