Text to show police while open carrying, etc.

Hello,

I am brand new to the whole open carry stuff... I have been reading the threads here. I also have my CPL. But can you guys shed some light on it? like a guide for dummy's?

Also, when I get stopped by police for open carry, is there a chart or text of MCL laws that I can bring up on my phone or print out and show to the officer or supervising officer that I am indeed ok to carry?

Some often say because my barrel is not showing it is concealed, but I guess having a CPL I can tell them, I have a cpl regardless... even if it is open carry.

sorry for being a noob, just dont want to go to jail lol

Some info for you to read.

Open Carry Guide Project

Michigan Open Carry Tri-fold

Michigan State Police Legal Update #86

griffin said:

Some info for you to read.

Open Carry Guide Project

Michigan Open Carry Tri-fold

Michigan State Police Legal Update #86

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Follow this advice from Griffin. It will put on the right side of things (including prision bars - not behind)!

+1 Griff :thumbup:

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

Just be ready for the police to refuse to even look at any printed materials. This occurred a number of times in the early days of the OC movement.

I can only speculate why, so I won't. We just know it occurred. Some police are more interested in whatever it is they have planned for you; not in finding out what you say they are doing wrong.

I'm not saying don't try to show it to them. I am saying to also keep in mind that they might totally ignore it.

Also on the subject of police stops see the sticky for wash, rinse, repeat. It is a proven method of "what to say & not say" during a stop. One very important item all OCers ( remember some people see OC as radical ) should have is a voice recorder. It eliminates all of the he said - she said nonsense.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

Thank you all for your replies, I greatly appreciated that.

So in regards to recorders... do we legally have to tell them we are recording for our safety or just record or whats the legal procedure?

jruck said:

Thank you all for your replies, I greatly appreciated that.

So in regards to recorders... do we legally have to tell them we are recording for our safety or just record or whats the legal procedure?

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You may record any public official in the performance of their duty in MI. You DO NOT need to tell them you are recording. Also it is amazing how often their recordings - audio & video of stops come up missing or with huge gaps in them.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

Glock9mmOldStyle said:

You may record any public official in the performance of their duty in MI. You DO NOT need to tell them you are recording. Also it is amazing how often their recordings - audio & video of stops come up missing or with huge gaps in them.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

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beautiful, thanks for that.

appreciate you guys!

No, you do not have to disclose to a LEO that you are recording them. Why? They have no expecatation of privacy while performing their duties as public servants. Secondly they would make it their mission in life to get their hands on that recorder so as to turn it off. However, the only places where you can get jammed up with a recorder is where the "general public" doesnt have access hence anyone in said area would enjoy an "expectation of privacy" so you would have to stop recording or ask permission from the private property owner.

MCL 750.234d provides that it is a 90 day misdemeanor to possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:

• A depository financial institution (e.g., bank or credit union)
• A church or other place of religious worship
• A court
• A theater
• A sports arena
• A day care center
• A hospital
• An establishment licensed under the Liquor Control Code

The above section does not apply to any of the following:

• The owner or a person hired as security (if the firearm is possessed for the purpose of providing security)
• A peace officer
• A person with a valid concealed pistol license (CPL) issued by any state
• A person who possesses on one of the above listed premises with the permission of the owner or owner’s agent

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Just to clarify, does that mean I can carry my weapon into those places, unless there is a note on the entry of the building stating otherwise? I thought we could NOT carry concealed in a establishment that serves alcohol, regardless. I heard many things in terms of that. So, I can carry if I go into a movie theater as well?

jruck said:

beautiful, thanks for that.

appreciate you guys!

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Um. Let me make sure I understand this. Some guy you don't know, on the internet, hands you some legal info, and you believe it to the point of being thankful?

Lemme show you how we do it around here. (next post)

Glock9mmOldStyle said:

You may record any public official in the performance of their duty in MI. You DO NOT need to tell them you are recording. Also it is amazing how often their recordings - audio & video of stops come up missing or with huge gaps in them.

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

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Cites, please.

Forum Rule #5

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

on the rear of my cpl ID it states:

This license allows the licensee to carry a pistol on or about his person anywhere in the state, except a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a school, on school property, day care center, child placing agency, sports arena, stadium, bar or tavern licensed to serves liquor, church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship, entertainment facility seating more than 2500 people, hospital, dormitory or classroom of a college or university or casino or as otherwise prohibited by law. Consult the statue for complete wording of pistol free zones.

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jruck said:

on the rear of my cpl ID it states:

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You can carry openly. Dont carry in a post office, fed building, some casinos, and secure areas of airports and jails.

jruck said:

Hello,

I am brand new to the whole open carry stuff... I have been reading the threads here. I also have my CPL. But can you guys shed some light on it? like a guide for dummy's?

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There are apps available, such as Legal Heat, that provide gun laws for all 50 states. (The nice thing about Legal Heat is that all the data reside on your device--no internet connection needed) Also, you could visit handgunlaw.us or carryconcealed.net, and copy relevant citations into your notepad app or whatever.

stainless1911 said:

You can carry openly. Dont carry in a post office, fed building, some casinos, and secure areas of airports and jails.

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I can open carry in a movie theater but not conceal? sounds crazy, i would think it would be the other way around, is there a law on this?

jruck said:

I can open carry in a movie theater but not conceal? sounds crazy, i would think it would be the other way around, is there a law on this?

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Yes. MCL 750.234d Notice the exemption for a CPL holder. The CPL statue states you CAN NOT concealed carry in those places, but .234d states you can carry, so the only way you can carry is OC.

See MSP legal update 83. It in the stickies. http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf


750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.Sec. 234d.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:
(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.
(b) A church or other house of religious worship.
(c) A court.
(d) A theatre.
(e) A sports arena.
(f) A day care center.
(g) A hospital.
(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.
(b) A peace officer.
(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.
(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.

Citizen said:

Cites, please.

Forum Rule #5

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

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Can someone help with this cite? So this well mannered poster can keep his underwear from bunching. I am mobile using a tablet so browsing searching is a bit difficult on the this device for me. I know it is a court ruling but don't have the link bookmarked on this device. Man no good deed goes unpunished -? This forum is really starting to - - - -!

Edit to add - see MCL 750.539 this was a recent thread here on this subject. Happy now? Seig heil! I am starting to root for pat more and more...

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?102988-Michigan-recording-laws

Links to court case affirming legallity of recording law enforcement.

http://www.art-teez.org/pr/110406-Dr-Dre-Liberates-Michigan.htm

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

Citizen said:

Um. Let me make sure I understand this. Some guy you don't know, on the internet, hands you some legal info, and you believe it to the point of being thankful?

Lemme show you how we do it around here. (next post)

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Uhhm lemme get this straight - you act as a mod here, but do so in such a crass manner? You can do better. I will cite everything to nausium, just for you in the future. There is more case law, and MCL on this, but I'm just too tired to dig it up.

Carry on.

We bow to you oh mighty one...

Giving up civil rights for security is a certain way to lose both!

Citizen said:

Um. Let me make sure I understand this. Some guy you don't know, on the internet, hands you some legal info, and you believe it to the point of being thankful?

Lemme show you how we do it around here. (next post)


Cites, please.

Forum Rule #5

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

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You could have been a little more professional with this reasonable request. If not, please surrender your moderator position to some one able to do so. That was a very poor attitude towards a new member and long time member trying to help.

Your request: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2l...page=getObject&objectName=mcl-328-1931-LXXXII

Michigan is a one party recording state. That is, as long as you are one of the involved parties there is no disclosure required so long as no other parts of this law are being violated. You do not need to be an involved party when it comes to LEO's.