Might wanna change your views on front sight training...

Check out todays Front Sight blog,he goes off about how concealed means concealed,making open carry seem horrible and even deadly.:cuss:

here is his post from today.

One of the great benefits of having trained hundreds of thousands of students from all across the country is that when something happens, there is usually a Front Sight trained student in the area of the incident, who can give us a better account of the situation than the media.
This week I have a letter from a Front Sight student who shops regularly at the Costco store where a concealed carry permit holder was recently shot by police.
The point of this blog is not to cast any opinion negatively or positively on the police or the CCW holder in this tragic incident, but rather emphasize that when you carry a concealed weapon, there are two, very basic, yet extremely important rules you must follow:

1. Concealed Carry means KEEP YOUR GUN CONCEALED. If you do not keep the gun concealed and mistakenly allow the general public to get a glimpse of your gun, don't be surprised if the police are called about a "man with a gun." This is not a good situation. Bad things can happen as a result of poor management of a gun that is supposed to be concealed.

2. When carrying a concealed handgun, YOU MUST BE A MODEL CITIZEN. You can not afford situations in which you might lose your temper and speak or act in a less than model citizen manner. You must always carry yourself in a calm, cool, and collected demeanor when you are armed. Unless confronted with immediate danger of death or serious bodily injury, when carrying a concealed weapon there is no room words or actions that would cause other people to call the police.


<removed news story and the rest of the blog,rather pointless,if you want to read it anyways,the link is below>

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2010/07/19/concealed-carry-means-keep-it-concealed/

Sounds to me like the SS executed this man. Always heard Vegas cops were scumbags. This does little to refute that reputation. They probably were pissed off that they had missed their quotas of shaking down prostitues that day. Has nothing to do with open carry--or concealed carry. Has to do with the continued examples of cops that are rogues and belong in prison. And the system that protects them.

i was referring to what ignatius said about concealed carry above the news story,the news story simply came along with his post,which i will remove after this post.

personally i would be interested in reading the whole story and see what the reasons the LEO's gave for shooting the Man ( love a good fiction story )

as to the opinons of the on CC and OC given were kinda ignorant and uninformed.

just my thoughts i am not an expert on anything.

link to blog added to OP.

The news has reported that the police have the Costco security tapes, but it appears there was a "malfunction" with the recording equipment, and so they are having to send the tapes to a forensic lab to try and reconstruct the data...

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12816105

Isn't that convenient...

Apparently Costco uses the same surveillance system they use in College Park MD. Maybe they should call Lt. Joanne Ardovini--she seems to be pretty well-qualified for dealing with incriminating surveillance tapes...

Perhaps Mr. Scott's attorneys should call Eric Rachner in Seattle WA. He seems to be VERY qualified to get to the bottom of issues like this:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/418746_video.html?Dsfa

How is it that every rat-hole convenience store in every poverty-ridden neighborhood in America can have perfectly working security cams to catch photo-quality images every time a crackhead tries to hold them up, but every time a LEA is involved in a high-profile public shooting, the state of the art surveillance gear of a multi-million dollar, multi-national corporation, or a municipality, or their own cruisers seems to be on the fritz?

I can't read Mr. Piazza's mind but what I take from his comments is that if you conceal, make sure it stays concealed. I can see where some sheeple would be concerned if they caught a glimpse of a concealed weapon, especially if the CCer is carrying Mexican or Gangsta style, or does not 'look' like a plainclothes LEO or model citizen. Ocing gives a different starting point for perception.

paramedic70002 said:

I can't read Mr. Piazza's mind but what I take from his comments is that if you conceal, make sure it stays concealed. I can see where some sheeple would be concerned if they caught a glimpse of a concealed weapon, especially if the CCer is carrying Mexican or Gangsta style, or does not 'look' like a plainclothes LEO or model citizen. Ocing gives a different starting point for perception.

Click to expand...

I agree. He's basically saying that if you conceal, keep it concealed. I don't think he was bashing OC with his statement

The comments were specifically about concealed carry. Neither comment was intended to, nor did they have the result of, demeaning open carry.
Which of the comments did you disagree with?
1. If it's concealed, keep it concealed.
2. If you carry a gun, be a model citizen.

Concealed means Concealed

I can't speak for him, but when I go into my local Costco I conceal carry, because I don't want to be asked to leave for OCing. My gun is covered by my shirt, or in my front pocket printing real bad some days, but it is concealed.
If I am at Home Depot, or at a local Super market, I OC with no worries.
I deep conceal carry at sporting events, because I like to yelled and hoop and holler and call the referee names, but that is just me.
When I OC I am cool and calm and I don't yell at my kids, they love it when I OC in public! lol

Never liked FrontSight anyway...

I sent for one of FrontSight's brochures and DVDs and the first thing I saw was that Dr. Ignatius looks as if he gets up in the morning and tells himself he looks just like Magnum, PI. If ego was helium, he could resurrect the Hindenburg.
I suppose if one were expecting to engage in full-go running firefights with armored, professional gunslingers as opponents the course might be useful. But there are lots of NRA-certified instructors who can teach a basic practical pistol course for far less, and you won't have to spend mega-bux to spend three days to a week in the stinkin' desert, either.

Alexcabbie said:

I sent for one of FrontSight's brochures and DVDs and the first thing I saw was that Dr. Ignatius looks as if he gets up in the morning and tells himself he looks just like Magnum, PI. If ego was helium, he could resurrect the Hindenburg.

Click to expand...

Not to mention that Piazza is a Scientologist...

And his corporation has been the subject of numerous lawsuits regarding investor fraud...

And when you go there for training, most of your free time on the first trip is like what you get on one of those "free timeshare weekend" deals, with a non-stop high-pressure sales pitch to become a "contributing member"...

Alexcabbie said:

I sent for one of FrontSight's brochures and DVDs and the first thing I saw was that Dr. Ignatius looks as if he gets up in the morning and tells himself he looks just like Magnum, PI. If ego was helium, he could resurrect the Hindenburg.
I suppose if one were expecting to engage in full-go running firefights with armored, professional gunslingers as opponents the course might be useful. But there are lots of NRA-certified instructors who can teach a basic practical pistol course for far less, and you won't have to spend mega-bux to spend three days to a week in the stinkin' desert, either.

Click to expand...

Hindenberg was filled with hydrogen! Helium is inert.
Please don't bash the desert, especially if you have never spent any amount of time in the desert southwest.

The murder of this boy is a crystal clear, perfect example of America today and everyone in it: an innocent murdered in cold blood, for no good reason at all and no one knows why--even though it happened right in front of their waking eyes.

Goodbye, America, and all your hopelessly lost people. It was nice knowing you.

Alexcabbie said:

I sent for one of FrontSight's brochures and DVDs and the first thing I saw was that Dr. Ignatius looks as if he gets up in the morning and tells himself he looks just like Magnum, PI. If ego was helium, he could resurrect the Hindenburg.
I suppose if one were expecting to engage in full-go running firefights with armored, professional gunslingers as opponents the course might be useful. But there are lots of NRA-certified instructors who can teach a basic practical pistol course for far less, and you won't have to spend mega-bux to spend three days to a week in the stinkin' desert, either.

Click to expand...

Define "practical"?

flintlock tom said:

Which of the comments did you disagree with?
1. If it's concealed, keep it concealed.
2. If you carry a gun, be a model citizen.

Click to expand...

I don't disagree with the sentiment of the second statement, but by including it in his comments, he implies that Erik Scott was being something other than a model citizen. This tells me that Piazza skimmed over the news reports, and didn't see the numerous witness statements that contradict the 911 transcript and the police spokespinner.

Never been a fan of Piazza but I don't think he is bashing OC here.

VAopencarry said:

SNIP I don't think [Piazza] is bashing OC here.

Click to expand...

Me, neither. I think he is just stuck in the usual CC = concealed mentality that was so common before OCDO came along. It just means we still have work to do.

lil_freak_66 said:

C,he goes off about how concealed means concealed,making open carry seem horrible and even deadly.:cuss:

Click to expand...

well with the LEO's we have today, having a gun is CC or OC. They all just look for a reason to screw with you, or shoot you, poor bastard just wanted some gatoraid, too bad the cops were sippin hateraid

Dreamer said:

Not to mention that Piazza is a Scientologist...

And his corporation has been the subject of numerous lawsuits regarding investor fraud...

And when you go there for training, most of your free time on the first trip is like what you get on one of those "free timeshare weekend" deals, with a non-stop high-pressure sales pitch to become a "contributing member"...

Click to expand...

I'm sorry, remind us again what course you were there for? When did you experience this "non-stop high-pressure sales pitch?"

I was there for the 4-day Tactical Handgun Course, and except for one optional lunch session (presented while you were eating lunch), no one ever spoke to me, or anyone in my presence, about joining or becoming a member. Not once. The lunch session was the only--got that? The only--presentation scheduled during the 4-day course. Hardly a high-pressure sales pitch.

The guy does fill my mailbox with junk on the subject, but I have a trashcan close by. And the training is on a par with what I experienced at Gunsite and SigSauer Academy.

Now, back to the OP. I don't think Borat was ragging on OC as much as he was advising you to avoid "inadvertent" flashing if your goal is to conceal. Oh, yeah, and be a model citizen. Not exactly radical concepts.