DUI Checkpoint

Citizen said:

Thanks for the assist, Gunslinger.

It seems our socialist friend, of all his maunderings, never conceived the simplest explanation--avoid supporting the government's infringements by calling these things what they really are: roadblocks. No sense in letting the government have the initiative on terminology.

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Howdy Citizen!
Nope! Nothing of the sort. I just don't much care for "Thought police" whether it be found in Orwell's novel, our government as it exists today, illegal wiretaps, or your decision to tell people what to say and how to say it. Name calling only illustrates your character and your desire to tell others what to say or how to say it is an infringement. You'll find it in the first amendment. You can say whatever you like. And so can I. But it seems you really don't much like my ability to speak my opinion, therefore seek to infringe on that.

If I am a socialist, I'd surely like to know what evidence you have to support that charge.

Meanwhile, if you want to control what people say or how they say it, work to dismantle the first amendment because I am sure you find it onerous.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

M-Taliesin said:

Howdy Citizen!
Nope! Nothing of the sort. I just don't much care for "Thought police" whether it be found in Orwell's novel, our government as it exists today, illegal wiretaps, or your decision to tell people what to say and how to say it. Name calling only illustrates your character and your desire to tell others what to say or how to say it is an infringement. You'll find it in the first amendment. You can say whatever you like. And so can I. But it seems you really don't much like my ability to speak my opinion, therefore seek to infringe on that.

If I am a socialist, I'd surely like to know what evidence you have to support that charge.

Meanwhile, if you want to control what people say or how they say it, work to dismantle the first amendment because I am sure you find it onerous.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

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Huh!?!?! I work to undermine government doublespeak by highlighting the term checkpoint, and you tag me as Orwellian?

Bwahahahahahahahaahahahaaaa!!!

Glad to hear you're not a socialist. Or, I would have been if it hadn't been for that last rant.

I try to control people's thinking? The guy who is calling the thought-control terminology to attention?

Bawhahahahhahahahahahahahaaa!!

Citizen said:

The guy who is calling the thought-control terminology to attention?

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This isn't the first time you've jumped on people to use your terminology. Or at least to nag them into doing things more "your way" on behalf of "the greater good". Do you not see a teensy bit of irony there?

mahkagari said:

This isn't the first time you've jumped on people to use your terminology. Or at least to nag them into doing things more "your way" on behalf of "the greater good". Do you not see a teensy bit of irony there?

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Jumped on someone?

Hey, jackass. There is NO effort to force terminology on anyone. Never has been. Won't be. If you perceived something that way, it is entirely your perception. At most I've argued the point with others. I do take frequent advantage of the opportunity to bring it up for new readers.

Now, man up and quit assuming that anytime someone says something its meant as a contradiction or criticism about which you have to act defensive.

Jeezus, what a bunch of cry-baby whiners. You can't even introduce an idea without being accused of something.

I guess I'll have to go back to elaborate diplomatic forms in order to avoid injuring the delicate feelings of the children.

Citizen said:

Jumped on someone?

Hey, jackass.

If you perceived something that way, it is entirely your perception.

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<snippage above>

Anyone else find this funny or is it just me?

Citizen said:

I do take frequent advantage of the opportunity to bring it up for new readers.

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Oh, I see. Silly me. Here I thought your curtness about your preferred posting style and abruptly injecting your ideology into a conversation then resorting to ad hominem when someone returns a passive agressive post in kind was just being good-old fashioned rude to those of us who have seen you around plenty on the boards. I didn't realize you were being "altruistic" by taking the opportunity to educate the new readers on your positions so their thinking could be brought in line. Strange, I thought there used to be a word for taking every opportunity to popularize your way of thinking.

Can't we all just get along?

Beau said:

Can't we all just get along?

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NO! Shut up! Who asked you? You go to hell! You go to hell and you DIE!

J/k

mahkagari said:

<snippage above>

Anyone else find this funny or is it just me?



Oh, I see. Silly me. Here I thought your curtness about your preferred posting style and abruptly injecting your ideology into a conversation then resorting to ad hominem when someone returns a passive agressive post in kind was just being good-old fashioned rude to those of us who have seen you around plenty on the boards. I didn't realize you were being "altruistic" by taking the opportunity to educate the new readers on your positions so their thinking could be brought in line. Strange, I thought there used to be a word for taking every opportunity to popularize your way of thinking.

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Yes, silly you. You are now arguing against me passing along freedom-oriented info I've come across or obtained from others. You're so wrapped up in the argument, in your own defensiveness, you've lost sight of what the discussion was about.

But, just for you, from now on, I'll be sure to stroke your easily injured ego with lots of diplomacy:

Kind sir. I beg opportunity to intrude. I mean no criticism. I have not the standing to offer what might be valuable information because you probably already know it: the word checkpoint is government spin for roadblock. Some, much more learned and wise in these things than I, consider that using government spin words forwards the government's intention and cedes to them the initiative. I hope that in passing this along I have not risen above my station too far, being but a humble servant.

Citizen said:

Yes, silly you. You are now arguing against me passing along freedom-oriented info I've come across or obtained from others. You're so wrapped up in the argument, in your own defensiveness, you've lost sight of what the discussion was about.

But, just for you, from now on, I'll be sure to stroke your easily injured ego with lots of diplomacy:

Kind sir. I beg opportunity to intrude. I mean no criticism. I have not the standing to offer what might be valuable information because you probably already know it: the word checkpoint is government spin for roadblock. Some, much more learned and wise in these things than I, consider that using government spin words forwards the government's intention and cedes to them the initiative. I hope that in passing this along I have not risen above my station too far, being but a humble servant.

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How dare you speak to a high lord in such a manner, you lowly peasant?!?!? You shall receive 30 lashes with the cat o' nine tails for your treachery!

Hey, in case you guys didn't know, a checkpoint is just another word for a roadblock used by the goverment to make their actions seem less intrusive. You should call it as such. I can't believe no one told you that...

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They are a necessary evil!

As some of you know I have to drive to Denver Mon-Fri for work. Every Friday I see tons of people who seem to be driving intoxicated and 0 cops on the road up there, and so many of us who have to drive home in the middle of the night are expose to the dangers of drunk drivers. Having said this, I understand some people's view of the checkpoints beig a nuisance more than help but they do deter some DUIs.
SO i say to you help them out! and have fun with it, most of our cops here are pretty good people and unlike Denver cops they seem to actually do their job .
Airborne!

thebigsd said:

You shall recieve 30 lashes with the cat o' nine tails for your treachery!

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Are you coming on to me?

mahkagari said:

Are you coming on to me?

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I am not sure how to respond to your question. My response was directed in jest to Citizen, as it was his post I quoted. Do you wish to clarify?

mahkagari said:

This isn't the first time you've jumped on people to use your terminology. Or at least to nag them into doing things more "your way" on behalf of "the greater good". Do you not see a teensy bit of irony there?

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Howdy Mahkagari!
Ever notice how great everybody in Colorado gets along until that particular individual comes along, then gets all pushed outta shape when folks won't behave as he dictates? It's more than irony! It's a modus operandi!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

Citizen said:

Jumped on someone?

Hey, jackass.

I guess I'll have to go back to elaborate diplomatic forms in order to avoid injuring the delicate feelings of the children.

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Howdy Again!
Yeah, we can see diplomacy is your thing alrighty!
Name calling, belittling others, trying to make people post to your approval, and resulting to sheer insult when you don't get your way?
You've told several to man up! I've met some of the men on this forum, and they have more "man" about them by accident than you've shown on purpose. I am unclear what your definition of a man is, but if it is to cow-tow to you, that wouldn't be manning up, it would be humbling themselves to your ego!

That ain't manning up, that's just knuckling under to some self appointed authoritarian!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

mahkagari said:

<snippage above>

Anyone else find this funny or is it just me?

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Howdy Amigo!
Nope it ain't just you. But it would seem that nobody is right except him, at least in his perspective.
The old "Did you see that mom, everybody in the battallion was out of step except for me!" syndrome.

mahkagari said:

Oh, I see. Silly me. Here I thought your curtness about your preferred posting style and abruptly injecting your ideology into a conversation then resorting to ad hominem when someone returns a passive agressive post in kind was just being good-old fashioned rude to those of us who have seen you around plenty on the boards. I didn't realize you were being "altruistic" by taking the opportunity to educate the new readers on your positions so their thinking could be brought in line. Strange, I thought there used to be a word for taking every opportunity to popularize your way of thinking.

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Well amigo, when somebody doesn't conform to his way of thinking, they're a socialist, communist, Marxist, Leninist or some other unsavory adjective he'll throw around without any basis in fact. And if you don't adopt his thinking as your own, do not embrace his enlightened view of reality that he, in his benevolence has deigned to share with we of the unwashed masses, then we need to be cured by manning up!

I do not generally like combat rhetoric, but this particular individual always seems to have something nasty to say for anybody who doesn't see things his way! Must really be bothersome that so many of us are perfectly capable of thinking for ourselves!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

Beau said:

Can't we all just get along?

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Howdy Beau!
We Coloradoans seem to get along just fine. You don't see any of us hassling amongst ourselves.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

Citizen said:

Yes, silly you. You are now arguing against me passing along freedom-oriented info I've come across or obtained from others. You're so wrapped up in the argument, in your own defensiveness, you've lost sight of what the discussion was about.

But, just for you, from now on, I'll be sure to stroke your easily injured ego with lots of diplomacy:

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Howdy Yet Again!
That's the second time you've claimed the man is defensive. You called the man a jackass. You called me a socialist. You run around insulting people who disagree with your opinion and resort to name calling when they don't buy your notions whole cloth. You tell people what to think, what to say, and how to say it. And if they do not conform to your will, they need to "man up"!

I've met quite a few folks on the Colorado board. Every one a fine specimen of manhood. I'd trust every one of them when the chips are down! There isn't one of them I wouldn't trust implicitly! They can make their case without the infantile outbursts we've seen displayed when you don't get your way!

Here is a suggestion on diplomacy....
Why not just leave people speak as they will, think what they like, and stop trying to manipulate others. You ain't their judge, and you certainly ain't their master.

Accept, perhaps, that others may have their own mind and let them enjoy the forum without subjecting them to insults, name calling and other nonsense that you throw in their face when they disagree with your position. A forum is a platform for the free exchange of ideas. Some of those will vary from your own! Deal with it!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

Cesar A said:

As some of you know I have to drive to Denver Mon-Fri for work. Every Friday I see tons of people who seem to be driving intoxicated and 0 cops on the road up there, and so many of us who have to drive home in the middle of the night are expose to the dangers of drunk drivers. Having said this, I understand some people's view of the checkpoints beig a nuisance more than help but they do deter some DUIs.
SO i say to you help them out! and have fun with it, most of our cops here are pretty good people and unlike Denver cops they seem to actually do their job .
Airborne!

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I fully agree that we are lucky to have the quality of cops we do in El Paso County. They are doing what they're told to do, and COS has revenue problems, so some more money in the til for tail light out, too dark tint, etc., all helps. But, I stand by get the cops on the roads to find drunks. Roadblocks are often publicized and lose their effectiveness against drunks--they go another way. They catch the poor shmuck with a light out he didn't know about, or some other piss ant violation. As far as OT for them on a holiday weekend, that is SOP, because that is when the drunks are most likely. Do it the right way, no rights stepped on, no inconvenience to me and the vast majority of people who are not DUI and seeing the drunks while driving is much better than stopping someone who took half a pack of breath mints when he saw the roadblock and guessing he may be over the limit.

Gunslinger said:

no inconvenience to me and the vast majority of people who are not DUI and seeing the drunks while driving is much better than stopping someone who took half a pack of breath mints when he saw the roadblock and guessing he may be over the limit.

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Howdy Gunslinger!
This actually is something I'd like to inform CesarA about too, since he has to drive back and forth between Denver and Colorado Springs on a daily basis. He mentioned seeing drunks on the road. They are a threat to every other driver on the highway and need to be removed from behind the wheel. I think we can agree on that one, eh? That being said, I don't think checkpoints are the best way to accomplish that goal. However brief the stop may be, it is nevertheless an infringement of the rights of innocent people and a detainment.

If we spot someone on I-25, and it appears that he's driving drunk, there is a number that we can call to inform authorities. I believe (but ain't entirely certain) the number is *277 or *CSP. That will get you immediately to Colorado State Patrol. Make a report of your observations and they'll intercept that driver and check him (or her) out. They have that number posted on a sign south of Larkspur when driving toward the Springs. I've used it once or twice myself to report dangerous behavior on the highway. Keep an eye out for that sign, and if you drive I-25 frequently, maybe have it on speed dial!

Stay safe out there.

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

I have no problem with calling the cops on a driver who may kill someone. It's no different than someone swinging a 12 gauge around while walking in a neighborhood. I believe that number is directly connected to the nearest doughnut shop, so should work quite well...