2 very telling portions of the transcripts. Kudos to our lawyer for getting these question answered.
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Originally Posted by Dean Questions, Lance Answers
Q. Well, actually I'm going to move on. Mr. Werner, you mentioned that concealed carry is permitted in the library?
A. Yes.
Q. Is concealed carry permitted in schools?
A. No.
Q. Now, you signed an affidavit in this case. You caused this action to be brought in this court. You're aware that you are seeking for the Court to declare that the CADL facilities are school property, are you not?
A. Yes.
Q. Well, if they are declared school property ‐‐
A. There will be no concealed carry at CADL.
Q. So isn't it your ‐‐ your objective isn't really a concern about open carry but it's a concern about anybody who has a firearm in CADL facilities?
A. My concern is about safety and it's about open carry in the library. That's why we're here today.
Q. Mr. Werner, is it your goal to prohibit those who are concealed pistol licensees from entering CADL facilities with firearms?
A. I guess so. I guess ‐‐ I guess that's where we're at, yes.
Q. So if it was up to you, nobody with a firearm would set foot in the CADL facilities?
A. Yep.
Q. Is there any other places you think that nobody should go with a firearm?
Second question and answer...
Q. Okay. Let me ask you this, I think you mentioned one of the reasons why you were providing shadow security is because you don't know how patrons will react?
A. That's correct.
Q. Well, what is it you're presuming will happen with patrons that causes some concern?
A. I'm concerned that a patron will attack one of the guys with the guns.
Q. So you're concerned ‐‐ I mean, you're a lawyer. Wouldn't that be an assault or a battery on the part of the patron?
A. I'm concerned that the patron will attack the person with the gun and the person with the gun will shoot the patron.
Q. I'm trying to understand why you believe the person ‐‐ the first patron, the one that's not carrying a firearm, or presumably isn't carrying a firearm, would be attacking someone with a gun?
A. We have a lot of ‐‐ well, we have some patrons that have issues with their personality that make them highly unpredictable and it's hard to tell how they're going to react. It could be a concerned parent. I don't know. We definitely have patrons with some personality issues, though.
Q. Well, let's get into that. When you say they have personality issues, is that one of the reasons you provide security at the CADL facilities because some of the patrons have personality issues?
A. I provide security at the CADL facility to maintain a safe environment for everybody. It's not specifically for any one reason. It's just to maintain a safe environment for everyone.
Q. Is that one of the reasons?
A. Yeah. I think it is a reason. It's good to have people on hand.
Q. So you have security there because some of the patrons who may be unarmed have some personalty issues, is what you're saying?
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. And you also mentioned one of the other reasons that you provide shadow security because you don't know how the employees will react.
A. That's right.
Q. Well, do you have concerns? I mean, have you ever talked to your employees and said, if a man comes in with a gun don't tackle him?
A. My employees are terrified and it's hard to say. I've talked to them, yes, but it's hard to figure out how they're going to react in a situation. I had ‐‐ like I said, I had an employee that had a melt down. I don't know how people are going to react. They know what's appropriate and they need to stay away, but, again, you put somebody in a tense situation, it's hard to tell how they're going to react.