SouthernBoy
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The French mentality after WWI. And we see how well that served them in 1940.
This is indeed, sad. Worse than sad, it borders on criminal.
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Stafford teachers get training for active shooter
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The French mentality after WWI. And we see how well that served them in 1940.
This is indeed, sad. Worse than sad, it borders on criminal.
Just WW1 ??? But while we're on the topic of making fun of the French ...
Scouser said:
Having said that, I should point out that in my youth I spent several vacations in rural France and met nothing but really nice people. It was only when I went to Paris that I met the bad examples.
Back on topic, I just hope Henrico schools get a better idea of how to respond in the next couple of years before we have to entrust Logan to their care, just about anything is better than 'hide and wait'.
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SouthernBoy
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I was speaking specifically of the period after WWI and was not making fun of the French, merely stating what happened over there during that time. As a nation, France turned passive. It started showing up in their schools, their home life, and their culture in general. They gave up the warrior spirit. Germany did not do this. Quite the contrary as by the early 1930's, the various splinter political groups trying to gain power in that country had given way to the rise of National Socialism, which in 1933 began in earnest to rearm. In 1940 France still had a fairly large military machine in some respects, but it was overrun in six weeks resulting in their capitulation to the Nazi's. They didn't stand a chance.
Now our resident historians may want to correct anything here I might have missed or gotten wrong, but that's how I understand, in a nutshell of course, what took place in France during the twenty years following the end of WWI. We also went through a period of disarmament and destruction of military equipment. By 1938, we were woefully undermanned and under machined in matters military. But one of the miracles of the 20th century took place between December, 1941 and the summer of 1942 with our war production in full gear.
By war's end, we had 101 aircraft carriers operational (we built 141 of them). We produced 87,000 war vessels of all kinds, 325,000 war planes of all kinds, and our merchant marine was 2 1/2 times larger than the rest of the world's combined. That and a nuclear program that produced three deliverable devices, and one test device, by the end of the war. Once we got cranked up, the end of Germany and Japan was inevitable. Of course, some major blunders by Hitler helped a heck of a lot, but Germany could never hope to match our output.
Oh well, back in my hole I go. Catch you good people later.
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SouthernBoy
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Thank you. Your comment, "The reason history repeats itself is because we're too stupid to learn from it" I think what happens here is that as new generations take hold and power, they become convinced that previous generations didn't do it quite right. That they know better and if just given the opportunity, will complete what failed in the past and not make those same mistakes because, well.... they know better. We see it today just as we saw it twenty years ago and in the 60's. You can paint this picture different colors but the fact remains that the essence of the message is the same. Just look at the reasons for the fall of Rome, then see what is happening in Europe today.
History does indeed repeat itself, time after time after time. May you're right. Maybe it is stupidity after all. Stupidity fed and used by sinister opportunists. Lenin's useful idiots know no national boundaries.
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TFred
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History repeats itself for one simple reason: Human nature does not change. Human nature's inability to resist rebellion against "the law of Nature", in whatever form you may see that brought forth into the world we live, does not change. Mankind will always claim to "know better", and will ultimately continue to fail in that assertion.
But this diverges quite a bit from both the OP and the nature of this venue... so for what its worth.
TFred
But this diverges quite a bit from both the OP and the nature of this venue... so for what its worth.
TFred
davidmcbeth
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What if its the teacher who is the one being violent? Then all the kids should be armed too ... just another angle
Just get freaking decent doors ....
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." (some famous guy)
"Those who do learn from history are doomed to watch those who did not go right on and repeat it." (somne guy who ought to be even more famous)
There is going to come a time when, in spite of each and every single gun control law put in place, and in spite of the fact that gun control as a whole is identified as overwhelmingly controlling almost all aspects of life, that some Va Tech, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or West Nickle Mines, or ___ type event will take place and the society will suddenly understand that gun control laws only control the law-abiding and do nothing to stop, or even slow down, evil persons intent on killing by using a gun. At that moment, when some parent stans in the middle of the street and yells that gun control is responsible for their little darling lying in a pool of blood, we will get some sort of useful means of stopping a sudden mass killer - without having to wait for the hired armed guard to get "here" from "there".
But, until then, we are going to be told that X cannot be trusted with guns because a, b, c, ....
Someone well known if not famous is supposed to have said "The only way to stop an evil person with a gun is by a good person with a gun." When we get past the "control" part of gun control and start dealing with stopping evil persons withh guns before they can rack up their score, then we will see teachers getting training for active shooters. Until then they ate only going to get suggestions and training on how to increase the odds of not being the victim of a sudden mass murderer.
stay safe.
"Those who do learn from history are doomed to watch those who did not go right on and repeat it." (somne guy who ought to be even more famous)
There is going to come a time when, in spite of each and every single gun control law put in place, and in spite of the fact that gun control as a whole is identified as overwhelmingly controlling almost all aspects of life, that some Va Tech, or Aurora, or Sandy Hook, or West Nickle Mines, or ___ type event will take place and the society will suddenly understand that gun control laws only control the law-abiding and do nothing to stop, or even slow down, evil persons intent on killing by using a gun. At that moment, when some parent stans in the middle of the street and yells that gun control is responsible for their little darling lying in a pool of blood, we will get some sort of useful means of stopping a sudden mass killer - without having to wait for the hired armed guard to get "here" from "there".
But, until then, we are going to be told that X cannot be trusted with guns because a, b, c, ....
Someone well known if not famous is supposed to have said "The only way to stop an evil person with a gun is by a good person with a gun." When we get past the "control" part of gun control and start dealing with stopping evil persons withh guns before they can rack up their score, then we will see teachers getting training for active shooters. Until then they ate only going to get suggestions and training on how to increase the odds of not being the victim of a sudden mass murderer.
stay safe.
roscoe13
Campaign Veteran
Jeeze Roscoe...I'm too tired to laugh:uhoh:
SouthernBoy
Regular Member
I is laughing me butt of on that one. I be going to get me some edumacation in this site.
MKEgal
Regular Member
Holy cow! Looking at those pictures makes me wonder about the people doing the training.
One even has the woman pointing the rifle at the camera! :shocker:
I bet they didn't use a tripod.
Locking the doors, turning off the classroom lights, keeping the kids out of sight (or sending them out a window) all are good ideas.
But the teachers need a last line of defense, for when the murderer shoots the glass & opens the door by reaching in & pushing the door bar, or turning the handle. (As a side point, how about putting glass by or in school/classroom doors only if it's not in arms' reach of the door handle? Or requiring that it be laminated, or have wire between the layers?)
The federal "GF"SZ law allows a school (principal, school board) to give permission for people to carry firearms within the magical bubble.
Is that also part of VA law?
If so, are local school boards allowed to override state law & tell principals they can't exercise that discretion?
ETA:
Answered part of my own question.
Yes, school officials can give permission.
One even has the woman pointing the rifle at the camera! :shocker:
I bet they didn't use a tripod.
Yet the liberals want us to try to reason with him, use our words...
+1SouthernBoy said:
Locking the doors, turning off the classroom lights, keeping the kids out of sight (or sending them out a window) all are good ideas.
But the teachers need a last line of defense, for when the murderer shoots the glass & opens the door by reaching in & pushing the door bar, or turning the handle. (As a side point, how about putting glass by or in school/classroom doors only if it's not in arms' reach of the door handle? Or requiring that it be laminated, or have wire between the layers?)
I'm not familiar with VA laws.ProShooter said:
The federal "GF"SZ law allows a school (principal, school board) to give permission for people to carry firearms within the magical bubble.
Is that also part of VA law?
If so, are local school boards allowed to override state law & tell principals they can't exercise that discretion?
ETA:
Answered part of my own question.
Yes, school officials can give permission.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.118.2-308.1 said:
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