New to the fourm Conisdering moving to CO

Gunslinger said:

Kingfish said:

Centennial Hall, El Paso County Clerk and Recorder's office on South Cascade Avenue. Sign said no display of weapons. Colorado has the ordinance in place to allow the posting of building making them off limits to those who do not wish to seek the government's permission to defend themselves.

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CC is perfectly legal there. Admittedly, OC is more problematic in any free state.

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What does CC have to do with anything?

Gunslinger said:

Talking about El Paso County only. Is Lakewood posted no open carry or no display of weapons, the more common term?

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Lakewood PD is located in the same building as Lakewood Municipal Court. I don't think you can even take in a bottle of water, let alone a pocket knife.

Specifically it says no weapons, and they do have the metal detectors in place.

Howdy!
Meanwhile.... back at the original thread.....

I live in Aurora. I am just a couple of blocks north of Colfax. We've had miscreancy here in the past, but it has died down considerably since I started OC'ing. Now many of the bangers think I'm a cop. I've never said anything of the sort to any of the young brigands, but so long as they think I am, they tend to behave themselves anywhere near my house. It seems to be serving me well.

Aurora is OC friendly, and I have never been bothered about carrying my sidearm anywhere in Aurora. I've had cops come right up on me, and we've had chats about other matters, but they never seem disturbed by my handgun holstered on my hip. If anything, they'll start up a conversation about what sort of pistol it is, what calibur, how I like it, how it shoots, and all manner of that sort of discussion, but none have been the least bit apprehensive about my carrying the thing.

Aside from the obvious "stay out of the PDR of Denver", I've never had any trouble anywhere I go. My hobby is metal detecting and I often travel in what folks describe as "bad neighborhoods". Nobody has ever bothered me. Considering I often go hunt for gold and silver at all hours of the night (using headlamps), you'd think I'd be easy prey for baddies. Nobody has ever bothered me. Then again, even when I must leave the handgun in the car, I am not unarmed. ASP 26 inch expandable baton, pepper spray, and other items I carry ensure relative safety.

So far as any 'bad neighborhoods' in Aurora, I don't know of any south of Colfax and east of I-225. I'm sure they must exist, but I do not know of them.

It's a pretty darn nice place to live, and I'd be happy to show you around. James already offered, but we can throw in a place to crash in the bargain! My pardner has moved in with a woman he's gotten friendly with, and I'm transforming the front room into an office for my new business now starting up. There is a futon in there, and it can be a decent sleep if you need to scotch your cash. Hotels are expensive and why not enjoy a bit of Coloradoan hospitality and a place to lay your head for free? Just a suggestion, in case you need a place to hole up while in town.

I can already guess you wouldn't be alarmed by the presence of a fair number of firearms in the house! LOL!

Blessings,
M-Taliesin

Kingfish said:

What does CC have to do with anything?

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It has to do with my CCW allows me to carry a handgun virtually anywhere in Colorado and 34 other free states. And getting one is easy for any citizen. OC will never be the best way to carry a PD weapon, despite our wishful thinking. Real world practicality, unless and until Con Carry is the law of the land, will always revolve around having a CCW to fill in the gaps. While I am fully supportive of OC--and especially Con Carry, I am also a realist.

JamesB said:

Lakewood PD is located in the same building as Lakewood Municipal Court. I don't think you can even take in a bottle of water, let alone a pocket knife.

Specifically it says no weapons, and they do have the metal detectors in place.

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Yeah, typical of any courthouse.

Kingfish said:

Centennial Hall, El Paso County Clerk and Recorder's office on South Cascade Avenue. Sign said no display of weapons. Colorado has the ordinance in place to allow the posting of building making them off limits to those who do not wish to seek the government's permission to defend themselves.

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Looks to me like no open carry, but allows people with a special license to exercise their privilege.
As an aside, since the state allows the banning of taxpayer-owned buildings, does the law also require those places to provide free secure storage while citizens are using their buildings?

Gunslinger said:

OC will never be the best way to carry a PD weapon

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Which is why all police carry concealed. Oh, wait...
Well, then, criminals must attack any regular citizen with a gun, right?
The main benefit I see to having a license is not worrying about school zones & the federal law in the state where it was issued. That can be solved by getting rid of the ineffective federal law.

MKEgal said:

Looks to me like no open carry, but allows people with a special license to exercise their privilege.
As an aside, since the state allows the banning of taxpayer-owned buildings, does the law also require those places to provide free secure storage while citizens are using their buildings?


Which is why all police carry concealed. Oh, wait...
Well, then, criminals must attack any regular citizen with a gun, right?
The main benefit I see to having a license is not worrying about school zones & the federal law in the state where it was issued. That can be solved by getting rid of the ineffective federal law.

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When I refer to PD, I refer to citizens not cops. And I mention, like it or not, real world practicality. In today's world, OC is simply not widely accepted, even in free states' more metro areas. And the state of affairs, affirmed by the SC, is that states can regulate CC. It is exclusive of the 2nd Amendment. So, I make the best of the situation. To just ignore reality benefits no one. Again, as I 'clearly' stated, that doesn't mean to give up the fight and just accept today's reality as inexorable.

CO is wonderful for firearm owners.
However one word of caution...
If you were ever charged (not even found guilty) for a juvenile offense, the CBI will deny you a firearm purchase.

A friend of mine from Virginia was once charged for a crime when he was 16 but it was later dropped in court.

But because his case was "adjudicated", CO state police denied him from buying a gun.

Pretty screwed up law for such a lovely state. And especially since the legal definition for adjudicated is a very very gray term.
Adjudicated means any court proceeding with an outcome. Doesn't matter is it was a good outcome or bad.

When he called the CBI and asked for an explanation after he was denied the CBI officers ere extremely rude.
Keep in mind, this guy was in the military and held a valid VA and DE concealed handgun permits and was able to buy guns before.
Yet the CBI still acted like he was some violent felon and even hung up on him.

Sig229 said:

CO is wonderful for firearm owners.
However one word of caution...
If you were ever charged (not even found guilty) for a juvenile offense, the CBI will deny you a firearm purchase.

A friend of mine from Virginia was once charged for a crime when he was 16 but it was later dropped in court.

But because his case was "adjudicated", CO state police denied him from buying a gun.

Pretty screwed up law for such a lovely state. And especially since the legal definition for adjudicated is a very very gray term.
Adjudicated means any court proceeding with an outcome. Doesn't matter is it was a good outcome or bad.

When he called the CBI and asked for an explanation after he was denied the CBI officers ere extremely rude.
Keep in mind, this guy was in the military and held a valid VA and DE concealed handgun permits and was able to buy guns before.
Yet the CBI still acted like he was some violent felon and even hung up on him.

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There had to be another reason. I know a person that was quite the troublemaker in their youth. Charged and convicted of a couple different things. They have had no problem buying firearms are getting their CHL.

Beau said:

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There had to be another reason. I know a person that was quite the troublemaker in their youth. Charged and convicted of a couple different things. They have had no problem buying firearms are getting their CHL.

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There was no other reason as I was in the room when he had the CBI on speaker phone and heard teh CBI officer explain to him why they denied his purchase.
Perhaps they have recently changed this rule as this incident took place pack in 2002.

Back to moving to Colorado...

Any particular reason you are thinking about the Denver area?? I'm a recent transplant here myself and would recommend coming on over the continental divide on I-70 and checking out the western slope, specifically "The Grand Valley"; more of everything I wanted in a "living Colorado" experience.

MKEgal said:

Looks to me like no open carry, but allows people with a special license to exercise their privilege.
As an aside, since the state allows the banning of taxpayer-owned buildings, does the law also require those places to provide free secure storage while citizens are using their buildings?

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Interestingly, some around here do. Not the courthouse, but the city-owned/run hospital does.

The main benefit I see to having a license is not worrying about school zones & the federal law in the state where it was issued. That can be solved by getting rid of the ineffective federal law.

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Agreed on both accounts, MKEgal.

Sig229 said:

When he called the CBI and asked for an explanation after he was denied the CBI officers ere extremely rude.
Keep in mind, this guy was in the military and held a valid VA and DE concealed handgun permits and was able to buy guns before.
Yet the CBI still acted like he was some violent felon and even hung up on him.

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Bureaucrats.

I would imagine, however, CBI receives many phone calls, some of them abusive, from folks who're denied permits. It probably won't help an individual's case any to be angry or abusive, as I'm sure they'll simply enter it in the record, at which point it's just another black mark against the denied individual.

I've found a polite, well-written letter to be more beneficial. In the meantime, I suggest your friend conduct a record search on himself by using the CBI's service, found here. It's only $6.85, and may well be worth it. If he finds errors, he can then follow these instructions, as per their FAQ:

What if the information provided is inaccurate? Contact the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, Identification Unit at 303-239-4208. In some instances, you will have to contact the arresting agency. The arresting agency will provide CBI with written documentation of any corrections.