luv_jeeps
Campaign Veteran
Kind of long, but (I think) interesting read. I only post this for the enlightment of others, and it does pertain to RC's statement of a persons rights per the CRS.
I'll throw in my experience from Colorado that dates back to 1981. (I was 15 years old)
In 1981 I was charged as a juvenile with reckless endangerment because of a richochet from a .22 caliber rifle that damaged a building. (I personally...at 15 years old, paid for the minor damage)
I ended up getting 1 year of probation, and was also told by the Judge at the time if I completed the probation successfully, my record would be cleared.
Fast forward to around 1994 or 1995. I successfully purchased my first handgun (92FS) from a friend of mine who was an FFL.
All things went through just fine and I took it home that day.
I continued with some additional purchases until 2003 and beyond.
I only mention 2003 because that is the year that Colorado passed the conceal carry and pre-emption law.
I applied for and was granted my carry permit in 2003, good for 5 years.
Made some additional purchases between 2003 and 2008 when the permit was up for renewal.
I filled out the stuff, paid the 50 bucks to renew my permit and away the paperwork went...Adams County where I reside.
As a treat to myself, a week or two later, I went to SW in Thornton to look at getting my first 1911.
Found a really nice Kimber with night sights and the Crimson Trace grips on it.
Filled out the 4473, and after about a half hour, it came back as 'delayed'
I figured that since I had just gotten my U.S. Citizenship (I was a Canuck) a month previous, maybe there was something going on there.
Called back everyday to check on status, and on the 3rd day, they told me that I was denied.
I was devastated and confused. WTF!!!!!!!
I immediately filed the paperwork with CBI to figure out what was going on and to have them send me the reason for the denial.
A week later I received the stuff from CBI that had my juvenile case listed from back in 1981.
What the heck? I had been purchasing stuff and getting approved by both CBI and FEDGOV(out of state rifle stuff) for a long time. Why the denial now?
I called the ADCO Sheriff's office and let them know what was going on, and that I had just submitted my renewal.
The police officer I spoke with told me (duh) that my current permit was now invalid.
I then started doing research on Mitchie (great resource for the CRS) and figured out that I had to:
1. Get my juvenile record expunged. (free.....no attorney required)
2. Refile the paperwork with ADCO for said permit.
3. Get ready for a fight with the Adams County Sheriff Department. (I had all the CRS statutes almost memorized by this point)
Filed the expungement stuff.....waited for court date in JeffCO and things were fine and everything was done. Got copies of everything from the clerk.
Called back ADCO about permit renewal, and was told that I now had to have a meeting with Sheriff Doug Darr himself to discuss whether or not I was a suitable candidate.
By this time, I had received all copies of the approved 4473's from the folks I buy stuff from, and had a huge folder of things ready for the meeting, which they delayed 3 or 4 times....hmmm.
Took the stuff in and had my meeting with Sheriff Darr (in one of my nice custom tailored suits) and walked out an hour later with my permit and no new fees at all. Took my mug for the permit, printed it and away I went.
My main point to the Sheriff was that if someone had done their damn job to begin with, I wouldn't have received that first 92FS, gotten things taken care of and we wouldn't be sitting in his conference room even having the conversation to begin with. I told hom that the CBI and others totally dropped the ball....for a bunch of years.
It seems to me that this should have been a non-starter to begin with based on RC's reading of the CRS as it was back then.
Sorry for the long post, but I hope it helps some folks down the road.
I'll throw in my experience from Colorado that dates back to 1981. (I was 15 years old)
In 1981 I was charged as a juvenile with reckless endangerment because of a richochet from a .22 caliber rifle that damaged a building. (I personally...at 15 years old, paid for the minor damage)
I ended up getting 1 year of probation, and was also told by the Judge at the time if I completed the probation successfully, my record would be cleared.
Fast forward to around 1994 or 1995. I successfully purchased my first handgun (92FS) from a friend of mine who was an FFL.
All things went through just fine and I took it home that day.
I continued with some additional purchases until 2003 and beyond.
I only mention 2003 because that is the year that Colorado passed the conceal carry and pre-emption law.
I applied for and was granted my carry permit in 2003, good for 5 years.
Made some additional purchases between 2003 and 2008 when the permit was up for renewal.
I filled out the stuff, paid the 50 bucks to renew my permit and away the paperwork went...Adams County where I reside.
As a treat to myself, a week or two later, I went to SW in Thornton to look at getting my first 1911.
Found a really nice Kimber with night sights and the Crimson Trace grips on it.
Filled out the 4473, and after about a half hour, it came back as 'delayed'
I figured that since I had just gotten my U.S. Citizenship (I was a Canuck) a month previous, maybe there was something going on there.
Called back everyday to check on status, and on the 3rd day, they told me that I was denied.
I was devastated and confused. WTF!!!!!!!
I immediately filed the paperwork with CBI to figure out what was going on and to have them send me the reason for the denial.
A week later I received the stuff from CBI that had my juvenile case listed from back in 1981.
What the heck? I had been purchasing stuff and getting approved by both CBI and FEDGOV(out of state rifle stuff) for a long time. Why the denial now?
I called the ADCO Sheriff's office and let them know what was going on, and that I had just submitted my renewal.
The police officer I spoke with told me (duh) that my current permit was now invalid.
I then started doing research on Mitchie (great resource for the CRS) and figured out that I had to:
1. Get my juvenile record expunged. (free.....no attorney required)
2. Refile the paperwork with ADCO for said permit.
3. Get ready for a fight with the Adams County Sheriff Department. (I had all the CRS statutes almost memorized by this point)
Filed the expungement stuff.....waited for court date in JeffCO and things were fine and everything was done. Got copies of everything from the clerk.
Called back ADCO about permit renewal, and was told that I now had to have a meeting with Sheriff Doug Darr himself to discuss whether or not I was a suitable candidate.
By this time, I had received all copies of the approved 4473's from the folks I buy stuff from, and had a huge folder of things ready for the meeting, which they delayed 3 or 4 times....hmmm.
Took the stuff in and had my meeting with Sheriff Darr (in one of my nice custom tailored suits) and walked out an hour later with my permit and no new fees at all. Took my mug for the permit, printed it and away I went.
My main point to the Sheriff was that if someone had done their damn job to begin with, I wouldn't have received that first 92FS, gotten things taken care of and we wouldn't be sitting in his conference room even having the conversation to begin with. I told hom that the CBI and others totally dropped the ball....for a bunch of years.
It seems to me that this should have been a non-starter to begin with based on RC's reading of the CRS as it was back then.
Sorry for the long post, but I hope it helps some folks down the road.
