Listening to Rush today.......

Bulldog1967 · Oct 20, 2010

nuc65 said:
You know that the smaller government is not a mantra of the republican party. The statements in this thread are more libertarian than republican.

Use to be they were very close to each other.

Big .Gov GOPers screwed that up and now we have to replace them in the primaries.

Big spending RINO Republicans need to GTFO and be retired.

They will compromise on ANYTHING to STAY in power.

As PVC said at last year's Anti-Cantor rally: "There's a difference between a politician and a STATESMAN."

Doug Huffman · Oct 20, 2010

I promise that everything of Codevilla's that I have read is at least as good!

45acpForMe said:
Thanks for that link. This is an excellent article! A bit long but worth reading.

There is revolution in the wind but lets see if the real America can stay awake long enough to get back to the constitution or if we/they will be lulled back into a serf-mentality-coma again.

I promise that everything of Codevilla's that I have read is at least as good! A point that he makes well is that we are the 'serfs', the Country Class. The Ruling Class must be emasculated carefully.

wylde007 · Oct 20, 2010

Bulldog1967 said:
As PVC said at last year's Anti-Cantor rally: "There's a difference between a politician and a STATESMAN."

Statesmen went extinct somewhere around 1865.

The Donkey · Oct 20, 2010

Vanns40 said:
When you look at the direction this administration has taken our country in less than two years it would seem, at least to me, that, viewing the totality of their views, this is completely related.

. . . .

These are the goals of progressives. This administration and it's followers have openly admitted to being "progressives". Let's not split hairs here and say that because their "now" stated policy doesn't mention guns they really don't want to restrict ownership. They have always wanted to severly restrict ownership, they just realize that it's not politically in their best interest to bring it up now.

I have been described by others as a "progressive" and probably am on many issues. But this certainly does not comport with my views, or that of many other "progressives."

This is how the dictionary defines "progressive"

pro·gres·sive /prəˈgrɛsɪv/ Show Spelled
[pruh-gres-iv] Show IPA

–adjective
1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters: a progressive mayor.
2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.
3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
4. ( initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to any of the Progressive parties in politics.
5. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.
6. noting or pertaining to a form of taxation in which the rate increases with certain increases in taxable income.
7. of or pertaining to progressive education: progressive schools.
8. Grammar . noting a verb aspect or other verb category that indicates action or state going on at a temporal point of reference.
9. Medicine/Medical . continuously increasing in extent or severity, as a disease.
–noun
10. a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, esp. in political matters.
11. ( initial capital letter ) a member of a Progressive party.
12. Grammar .
a. the progressive aspect.
b. a verb form or construction in the progressive, as are thinking in They are thinking about it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/progressive

I have no problems being associated with most of that.

In fact, at one time, I would have described Rush as a progressive band.

Do you buy into that Glenn Beck reality where words mean what he wants them to mean, and "a progressive" is defined as everyone Glenn Beck dislikes since Woodrow Wilson?

Agree with Tess: RUSH this to the social lounge!

45acpForMe · Oct 20, 2010

The Donkey said:
I have been described by others as a "progressive" and probably am on many issues. But this certainly does not comport with my views, or that of many other "progressives."

This is how the dictionary defines "progressive"

Communists simply use "progressive" as a euphemism since the former word had so much baggage. Recently (10-20 years) young people are forgetting the attrocities that communists/nazis/socialists have committed around the world so they don't get alarmed when its found out that a certain senator or congressman is/was a member of the socialist party!

If you want to be a communist go live in cuba or china, which btw are both moving away from that ideology. China is becoming more capitalistic and Fidel Castro just admitted that communism has NOT worked in Cuba.

Repeater · Oct 20, 2010

Doug Huffman said:
Limbaugh praised The Character of Nations, read it! Limbaugh mentioned The American Spectator article by Codevilla, America's Ruling Class - And the Perils of Revolution, read it!

http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the

Angelo Codevilla wrote Advice to War Presidents

http://www.amazon.com/Advice-War-Presidents-Remedial-Statecraft

Read it. ALL IS LOST to the post-modern American culture. We get what has been asked for.

For those who don't know, the Ruling Class is now a book, just published due to the enormously positive reaction to the essay. The author, Angelo M. Codevilla, explains what the book is about and why he wrote it.

The Ruling Class RINOs will not repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. They just don't care. Yet, the 2010 Insurgency has already resulted in casualties, such as gun-hating Mike Castle.

Alfred Regnery points out the unpleasant fact that the Ruling Class views gun ownership -- and self defense -- as beneath them:

A 2009 CNN/Opinion Research poll found that more than 75 percent of Americans believe the Second Amendment "was intended to give individual Americans the right to keep and bear arms for their own defense." But don't count many of the ruling class in that 75 percent. You won't find them clinging to their guns and their religion.

Like all card-carrying members of the Ruling Class, the high court's liberals hate the Second Amendment and don't believe it actually means what it says. Guns are not politically correct, you see, and even though the Constitution clearly protects the right to have them, these elitists know better what is good for us. In their minds it is fine for the Constitution to protect things it does not mention such as abortion, sodomy, and racial preferences, but things specifically mentioned? Please.

The National Rifle Association has become one of the largest, richest, and most feared lobbies in Washington, with a vast and vociferous membership. It can have enormous impact on issues involving guns, and has been successful on many fronts. But at times-including the present-it has struck compromises offensive to its vast membership in order to maintain its political power.

One thing you can count on is that the battle over guns is one the Ruling Class wishes would just go away -- but only on its terms, of course.

Ruling Class Incumbent Eric Cantor now has two new TV campaign commercials, but these ads beg the question: does he have the balls to fight the enemy?

What do you think?

curtiswr · Oct 20, 2010

Yeah, I've open carried in Virginia when Rush was on the radio before as well.

Tess · Oct 20, 2010

Vanns40 said:
When you look at the direction this administration has taken our country in less than two years it would seem, at least to me, that, viewing the totality of their views, this is completely related. If we don't stop this galloping advance of government take over of every phase of our lives there will be no open carry, concealed carry or legal ownership of any kind. Need I point to New York where it takes a MINIMUM of a year to obtain a permit just to purchase a handgun?

These are the goals of progressives. This administration and it's followers have openly admitted to being "progressives". Let's not split hairs here and say that because their "now" stated policy doesn't mention guns they really don't want to restrict ownership. They have always wanted to severly restrict ownership, they just realize that it's not politically in their best interest to bring it up now.

If we sit back and are lulled into a false sense of security here and elsewhere, we are only fooling ourselves. This needs to be discussed on every forum, in every area, in order to keep it in the forefront so folks never forget.

Please read the forum rules, excerpted here:

(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.

So perhaps I was wrong to say News & Political Alerts -- but it is not directly related to open carry.

If I want to listen to diatribes, there are plenty of non-gun sites I can go for that.

Repeater · Oct 20, 2010

Tess said:
Please read the forum rules, excerpted here:

(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.

So perhaps I was wrong to say News & Political Alerts -- but it is not directly related to open carry.

If I want to listen to diatribes, there are plenty of non-gun sites I can go for that.

Is Eric Cantor off-topic, too?

Vanns40 · Oct 20, 2010

The Donkey said:
I have been described by others as a "progressive" and probably am on many issues. But this certainly does not comport with my views, or that of many other "progressives."

This is how the dictionary defines "progressive"

pro·gres·sive /prəˈgrɛsɪv/ Show Spelled
[pruh-gres-iv] Show IPA

–adjective
1. favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, esp. in political matters: a progressive mayor.
2. making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.
3. characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
4. ( initial capital letter ) of or pertaining to any of the Progressive parties in politics.
5. going forward or onward; passing successively from one member of a series to the next; proceeding step by step.
6. noting or pertaining to a form of taxation in which the rate increases with certain increases in taxable income.
7. of or pertaining to progressive education: progressive schools.
8. Grammar . noting a verb aspect or other verb category that indicates action or state going on at a temporal point of reference.
9. Medicine/Medical . continuously increasing in extent or severity, as a disease.
–noun
10. a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, esp. in political matters.
11. ( initial capital letter ) a member of a Progressive party.
12. Grammar .
a. the progressive aspect.
b. a verb form or construction in the progressive, as are thinking in They are thinking about it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/progressive

I have no problems being associated with most of that.

In fact, at one time, I would have described Rush as a progressive band.

Do you buy into that Glenn Beck reality where words mean what he wants them to mean, and "a progressive" is defined as everyone Glenn Beck dislikes since Woodrow Wilson?

Agree with Tess: RUSH this to the social lounge!

In recent as well as past, mark that decades ago, progressive, when speaking of politics, meant Socialist by definition. This is not a phenomenon restricted to Glenn Beck or anyone of our day.

As far as taking this elswwhere, I disagree. The politics of today are so intertwined with RKBA of all forms and the outcome of this election is so important to the direction the Country STARTS to take, we need to discuss it in every venue.

Just my opinion though.

Doug Huffman · Oct 20, 2010

Rule (16) violation. SLimbaugh was Rush while he had a fire in his belly and aborted callers. Now he's just another democratic capitalist.

Vanns40 · Oct 20, 2010

Tess said:
Please read the forum rules, excerpted here:

(8) KEEP IT ON-TOPIC: All gun rights discussions not directly related to open carry should take place in the "General Discussions" forum and topics that are not related to gun rights at all should take place in "The Lounge". Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focused.

So perhaps I was wrong to say News & Political Alerts -- but it is not directly related to open carry.

If I want to listen to diatribes, there are plenty of non-gun sites I can go for that.

There is a forum that said talking about then nominee Sotomayor was "off topic" because it did not deal with RKBA. Shortly AFTER she was confirmed it suddenly became acceptable to talk about her views on RKBA. Shall we wait until the election is over and, if the ruling party is still in power and decides it has a mandate for gun control we then decide it's relevant to discuss what we COULD have done but didn't?

This does, as I stated before, affect all forms of carry. Let's not get side tracked by a narrow focus.

A diatribe is not the same as a presentation of fact. If you truly believe discussion of where this election will take RKBA and that RKBA is not linked with every other right, well, I guess we have irreconcilable differences.

I'll let this be my final word and let the list take it where they wish.

The Donkey · Oct 20, 2010

45acpForMe said:
Communists simply use "progressive" as a euphemism since the former word had so much baggage. Recently (10-20 years) young people are forgetting the attrocities that communists/nazis/socialists have committed around the world so they don't get alarmed when its found out that a certain senator or congressman is/was a member of the socialist party!

If you want to be a communist go live in cuba or china, which btw are both moving away from that ideology. China is becoming more capitalistic and Fidel Castro just admitted that communism has NOT worked in Cuba.

Personally, I find it amusing the way that communists misuse the word "progressive" for much the same reasons that I find the way Glenn Beck misuses this word alarming. For the record, I should admit that Glenn Beck sometimes recognizes a distinction between communists and progressives:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/stewart-to-glenn-beck-you_n_472826.html

Just not much of one.

And where does this lead? A trip downtown to hunt those damned progressive leaders of the ACLU and Tides foundation? http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/12/progressive_hunter_gunman_cites_glenn_beck

Well what do you think? Have the Commies taken over? "Is It Time Yet?" Personally, I might be persuaded that it it is.

That is, if I believed all this idiotic, unidimensional claptrap.

So no, I don't think I'll go hunting the Commies today, nor move to Cuba or China.

I am fine being an armed "progressive" right here.

Thundar · Oct 20, 2010

DCKilla said:
Not offended, even if I saved over $10k on my first deployment. There are a lot of drunk-broke sailors out there.

I don't find the drunken sailor part pejorative, I find the comparison of drunken sailors to congress insulting to dunken sailors!

Thundar · Oct 20, 2010

The Donkey said:
... run against Eric Cantor in 2012.

Donkey you are back! Let me check my calendar. Yup, less than 2 weeks until the election.

Tea Party is gonna spank the democrat party. Please don't get all hopey changey on me.

The Donkey · Oct 20, 2010

Vanns40 said:
In recent as well as past, mark that decades ago, progressive, when speaking of politics, meant Socialist by definition. This is not a phenomenon restricted to Glenn Beck or anyone of our day.

A surprising number of people are confused by these terms.

http://volokh.com/2010/05/12/political-ignorance-and-perceptions-of-capitalism-and-socialism/

Doubtless some think that socialism and progressivism are synonymous.

But from progressives like Teddy Roosevelt, that mistake would earn you a well crafted chewing out, and possibly a punch in the eye.

The Donkey · Oct 20, 2010

Thundar said:
Donkey you are back! Let me check my calendar. Yup, less than 2 weeks until the election.

Check out my list of Posts: since September 2006, I have never gone away, and never will, not until they pry my keyboard from underneath my cold, dead fingers.

Bwahahahahahaha!

Elections seem to bring out the "hopey-changy" side of my libertarian bretheren and sisteren. Inspires the "ass" in me every time.

6L6GC · Oct 20, 2010

Bulldog1967 said:
Use to be they were very close to each other.

Big .Gov GOPers screwed that up and now we have to replace them in the primaries.

Big spending RINO Republicans need to GTFO and be retired.

They will compromise on ANYTHING to STAY in power.

As PVC said at last year's Anti-Cantor rally: "There's a difference between a politician and a STATESMAN."

Cantor is NEITHER. He and others like him are as worthless as the full fledged liberal Democrats. If I wanted to vote for a politician who OPENLY defies the constitution then I'd vote for a real Democrat

Alexcabbie · Oct 30, 2010

The major thing is to wrest control of the committee chairmanships and the subpoena power from the Democrats. Despite their huge majority they have had to resort to bribery, arm-twisting and ad hoc rule changes and other sleazy tricks to get their bills passed.Those Democrats still left standing may well "see the light" and help override a veto if they know what's good for them.

"Bugs" Moran is in trouble. I know what the polls say, but I also know what I see as far as campaign signs go. Yards with Murray signs outnumber yards with Moran signs 10 to one, except in the dumpier parts of Arlandria and Del Ray, where people get most of their living from handouts.

So let's save the analysis until the votes are counted. And be damn sure to vote like hell.

Jack House · Oct 30, 2010

whoops.

Listening to Rush today.......

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