To those carrying a recorder.. Ever had it erased?

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He seems to do this intentionally.

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Anybody that would strap on a GoPro with a chest rig and button a shirt around it so it's hidden, yet still able to shoot video, as well as carry an iPhone that streams video to offsite server, and also carries a DSLR to record... Yeah, I think I'd have to say I agree with ya. Personally, I have much better things to do with my time than go around looking for conflict. Like I said earlier, I do not OC to make a political statement, or to try and have run-ins with the law. I OC because I needed some way to carry while I went through the process of re-acquiring my CHP. After having done it for a few months now, I actually enjoy the convenience of not having to dress around my firearm, or choose a small inadequate caliber firearm just so I have one on me. Purchasing my recorder was on the off chance I ever do run into an ill-informed LEO with a chip on his shoulder. Happy to say that to date, all of my audio recordings have all been deleted as soon as I returned home each time. I have no desire to spend time in jail trying to fight some trumped up charge because I deliberately set out to ruffle cop feathers. To each their own.

The only time I had a 'encounter' is when a local cop (D.A.R.E./Resource Officer), a friend, asked me (while we just happen to meet at the local QT) to help him unload a big box(s) for a school presentation. I said, no way Jose. He got all butt hurt until I reminded him that they, the school and cops, frown on XD 40's in school. Especially the one that is quite visible on my hip.

He told me not to worry about it, I'd be with him.....:uhoh:....'I was being called to aid the civil power'....obviously I left the heat in the truck. He is a little preoccupied sometimes but a good cop. I guess this is the kind of cop we want when we OC. This episode notwithstanding, he is, of course, very attentive and observant.

Missouri Constitution: Article I, Section 23. - Right to keep and bear arms--exception. That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.

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What came of this case Yard Sale?

Yard Sale said:

Yes.

http://lolinter.net/badcops.pdf

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It looks like the person had their Driver License revoked & property stolen by Sparks NV. PD manning a DUI checkpoint. Even after it was found that the person had no intoxicants in their system. All this for not rolling down the window more than a inch? So if you roll it down you can be arrested for what they "say" they smell ... sweat odors, or whatever, if you do not roll it down they claim a smell so they can arrest through a 1 inch opening ...wow these guys are superhumans! NOT.

Wow!

Freedom1Man said:

I read conflicting reports there. First one said that our victim used the blow test and the another said the blood test.
Most officers said he did not roll his window down then one admits that he did.

I wish the cops could at least tell the truth once.

I know that when I was arrested once the cops stole my CATO copy of the United States Constitution from my back pack that was in my car.

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Wow that's a new low. Well let's hope they at least read it???

Medic1210 said:

I gotta say, I'm amazed at the length some folks will go to try and bust a bad cop. I can't even begin to imagine having to set all that stuff up each and every time I went out for an errand. Hard enough for me to remember to turn my voice recorder on. Would it be a safe assumption to think you probably have several youtube videos up of your cop encounters?

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I am not looking to bust bad cops.

I am a film maker and photographer. I also sell footage of news worthy events to various news outlets. I did this for many years with no problems from police.

For some reason, maybe because of 9-11, around 2000/2001 the police totally changed how they treated photographers and videographers.

I started having bad experiences with police doing the same things I had done for many years.

All of a sudden, photographers became criminals and the enemy in the eyes of police.

I have never once set out to capture police acting improperly. However, I found it necesarry to protect myself with back up audio and video due to the police illegally seizing and erasing content.

If you dont believe me, try video taping a DUI check point some time. I can assure you that the police will treat YOU like the criminal and make your life hell.

It has gotten so bad that I wont video police at night unless there are many many people around.

This is the America we now live in.

btw - yes, i have TONS of footage of police breaking the law.

Medic1210 said:

Great advice, if you want to get someone killed. Go ahead and pull a hidden knife on the cop. You'll never get to tell your side of the story, and their shooting would instantly become justifiable, even without them having to corroborate their stories beforehand. Let's see... "Your honor, the subject used a hidden key to break out of the handcuffs that were lawfully applied according to training, and then the subject pulled a hidden knife that was undetectable during patdown, and attempted to attack myself and the other arresting officers. Despite numerous commands to drop the knife, he continued to advance, so we feared for our lives. We had to shoot to subdue." I can promise your recording devices will be gone at that point.

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And you'll read my post again, and see that I said that if he's gonna beat your ass anyway, at least give yourself a fighting chance...

I'll bet the officer isn't expecting you to get out of handcuffs, and would not be prepared for such an attack from 3 feet away.. A quick throat stab (instinct is to grab throat and protect it after injury), will give you the split second you need to either continue the attack, disarm the officer, or break away (then you can take your tapes t o the press, then turn yourself into the FBI). You'll still get charged with 50 counts of everything they can think of, and don't be surprised if they magically find child porn, bestiality, and 'plans for a terrorist attack' when they search your computer at home (IOTW, they'll plant it to stack charges).

TechnoWeenie said:

And you'll read my post again, and see that I said that if he's gonna beat your ass anyway, at least give yourself a fighting chance...

I'll bet the officer isn't expecting you to get out of handcuffs, and would not be prepared for such an attack from 3 feet away.. A quick throat stab (instinct is to grab throat and protect it after injury), will give you the split second you need to either continue the attack, disarm the officer, or break away (then you can take your tapes t o the press, then turn yourself into the FBI). You'll still get charged with 50 counts of everything they can think of, and don't be surprised if they magically find child porn, bestiality, and 'plans for a terrorist attack' when they search your computer at home (IOTW, they'll plant it to stack charges).

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Interesting viewpoint you have. Personally, I'd rather take an a$$whoopin from a rogue cop than pull a hidden knife after breaking out of my handcuffs, and get killed, justifiably at that point I might add. I can survive a beating better than a magazine full of bullets, or better yet, an arsenal of felony charges after stabbing a cop who was just trying to subdue a suspect who was resisting and trying to escape... Which is what you become when you remove your cuffs illegally... Again, hope things work out for you if you ever try what you suggest.

Criminal charges are still pending against me. The stolen digital recording device was not the only one operating at the time, only the most obvious one.

My point is, they don't have to delete anything or get through your password protection. The recording device just disappears.

If you are recording to the cloud, you can say something like, "Please don't take my recorder" or "Please put my recorder back, Officer Smith" which shows they are taking evidence which they must later produce in discovery.

Yard Sale said:

Criminal charges are still pending against me. The stolen digital recording device was not the only one operating at the time, only the most obvious one.

My point is, they don't have to delete anything or get through your password protection. The recording device just disappears.

If you are recording to the cloud, you can say something like, "Please don't take my recorder" or "Please put my recorder back, Officer Smith" which shows they are taking evidence which they must later produce in discovery.

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Again, I hope in the long run it was worth all the hassle and legal headaches you're dealing with, just because you didn't want to roll down your window and cooperate. I'm willing to bet the bloodshot eyes, alcohol breath, and gun grab claims would have never been trumped up had you not wanted a cool YouTube video of yourself showing those cops you know your rights... :dude: Hope your secondary, hidden recording device captured everything for you, or else you're going to be paying for this for a while, because if not, I'm pretty sure telling the judge, "Your honor, this is what really went down... And it was all captured on my video camera that the police stole from my vehicle when they impounded it." if you don't have anything else to prove your side of the story.

Yard Sale said:

Criminal charges are still pending against me. The stolen digital recording device was not the only one operating at the time, only the most obvious one.

My point is, they don't have to delete anything or get through your password protection. The recording device just disappears.

If you are recording to the cloud, you can say something like, "Please don't take my recorder" or "Please put my recorder back, Officer Smith" which shows they are taking evidence which they must later produce in discovery.

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I like that. If unarmed and being a smart ass then ask them for that key of coke or 8 ball of crack back too. "What are you doing with that key of coke officer Pud?"
Best answer I heard for an illegal search when the cops asked the guy if they would find anything illegal was "Only whatever evidence you decide to plant" Cops stopped their search and let him go after that.

In Seattle the only thing that got a cop busted was that an informant had a tape recorder on and recording, when his police contact had him meet in an alley. The cop shot him and planted a gun to claim a justified shooting. The recorder was found and the cop got busted my 60 something year old friend reminds me about that story from time to time.

The backup recorder is ideal in today's crazy world. The police are armed with cellphone downloaders now that can steal all the info from your cell phone contacts, photos, music, text messages, apps, you name it. Some of the devices can be done without you even knowing it wireless unless you pull the battery. I phones are the easiest targets.

They have computers in their cars that they can destroy electronic evidence with.

Medic1210 said:

had you not wanted a cool YouTube video of yourself showing those cops you know your rights... :dude:

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"Don't go visiting my intentions. Don't ever." -- Jubal Early

Yard Sale said:

"Don't go visiting my intentions. Don't ever." -- Jubal Early

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Ok then, what were your intentions when you placed not only a video camera, but also a supposed hidden recording device in your vehicle before turning a routine DUI checkpoint, where you obviously had no reason to be uncooperative with the officers on scene, into an arrest? I mean, the story sounds just like so many videos online where some guy wants to play "I know the law better than you" with a cop by barely rolling down their window to talk, except your situation turned into you getting your tail hauled to jail with trumped up charges, as well as a not trumped up no insurance charge, and no video proof to show you didn't do exactly what the officers said you did. Be sure to keep us posted on your case, and let us know how well your other, hidden recording does to get you out of this mess.

Stop making stuff up. Thread here:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?84823-one-of-us-open-carry-at-dui-checkpoint

Yard Sale said:

Stop making stuff up. Thread here:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?84823-one-of-us-open-carry-at-dui-checkpoint

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So have you resolved your case? Did your other hidden recorder absolve you of wrongdoing and help you sue the officers?