Mugenlude
Campaign Veteran
After several emails to Sen. Van Wanggaard he placed a phone call to me last night. Here is a little summary of what we talked about.
#1 - he did not draft the Senate Shall-Issue bill as stated by NRA-ILA, someone else (he thought it was Galloway) drafted the bill and sent it out for co-sponsors.
#2 - he wants training, but NOT required permits.
From our conversation it sounds as if he is drafting his own version of the concealed carry bill, I’m not certain of this though. He wants people to take a 8 hour training class with live fire (6 hour class, 2 hour live fire) to show proficiency with a handgun. The market would control the training cost. Once you have completed the training your trainer would provide you with a training certificate/card. This would allow you conceal carry in WI, you would need to show this to law enforcement if you were stopped and carrying concealed. Nothing else required to concealed carry, no permit with the state, no other fees/taxes.
While no permit with the state would be required, you would have the option of sending a copy of your training certificate/credential in to receive a WI Concealed Carry Permit, which would allow you to receive reciprocity in other states. Fee for permit would be just to cover the costs, he said something in the $20-30 range. I asked him what department would be handling the permits, he said he hadn’t figure that out yet, but mentioned Dept of Regulation or DOT.
Our privacy was a concern of his, he does not want information on permit holders accessible to the public. He said he would prefer it to be accessible to law enforcement, but only if they look up your information by name and birth date. Basically, he is saying he doesn’t just want a big list of permit holders out there, they would have to request information of a certain person (I assume during a traffic stop, issuing a warranty, etc.).
Carrying in restaurants, taverns, etc. he fine with, just no alcohol in our system (per our current laws).
I asked him with this training certificate/card would eliminate the Federal GFSZ, he wasn’t sure, and said he would check into that as he wasn’t completely sure what the requirements/working was on the Federal GFSZ.
He said he would prefer the training aspect to apply to open carry as well, but it wouldn’t be part of this bill.
All and all, it seems as if wants something between Constitutional Carry (Right-to-Carry) and Shall-Issue. Basically, the ‘permit’ is the training, but it isn’t handled by the state unless you want a permit from WI for reciprocity.
I let him know that I appreciated him call me directly, but wanted him to support the Right-to-Carry bill proposed, and that no bill should effect open carry as it is now.
#1 - he did not draft the Senate Shall-Issue bill as stated by NRA-ILA, someone else (he thought it was Galloway) drafted the bill and sent it out for co-sponsors.
#2 - he wants training, but NOT required permits.
From our conversation it sounds as if he is drafting his own version of the concealed carry bill, I’m not certain of this though. He wants people to take a 8 hour training class with live fire (6 hour class, 2 hour live fire) to show proficiency with a handgun. The market would control the training cost. Once you have completed the training your trainer would provide you with a training certificate/card. This would allow you conceal carry in WI, you would need to show this to law enforcement if you were stopped and carrying concealed. Nothing else required to concealed carry, no permit with the state, no other fees/taxes.
While no permit with the state would be required, you would have the option of sending a copy of your training certificate/credential in to receive a WI Concealed Carry Permit, which would allow you to receive reciprocity in other states. Fee for permit would be just to cover the costs, he said something in the $20-30 range. I asked him what department would be handling the permits, he said he hadn’t figure that out yet, but mentioned Dept of Regulation or DOT.
Our privacy was a concern of his, he does not want information on permit holders accessible to the public. He said he would prefer it to be accessible to law enforcement, but only if they look up your information by name and birth date. Basically, he is saying he doesn’t just want a big list of permit holders out there, they would have to request information of a certain person (I assume during a traffic stop, issuing a warranty, etc.).
Carrying in restaurants, taverns, etc. he fine with, just no alcohol in our system (per our current laws).
I asked him with this training certificate/card would eliminate the Federal GFSZ, he wasn’t sure, and said he would check into that as he wasn’t completely sure what the requirements/working was on the Federal GFSZ.
He said he would prefer the training aspect to apply to open carry as well, but it wouldn’t be part of this bill.
All and all, it seems as if wants something between Constitutional Carry (Right-to-Carry) and Shall-Issue. Basically, the ‘permit’ is the training, but it isn’t handled by the state unless you want a permit from WI for reciprocity.
I let him know that I appreciated him call me directly, but wanted him to support the Right-to-Carry bill proposed, and that no bill should effect open carry as it is now.
