Cease Fire Activity on Mercer Island

Damiansar-15 said:

Has anyone seen recent petition activity from CeaseFire? I saw a small group at the entrance areas of Mercer Island's Farmer's Market on Sunday afternoon. I spoke to two of the folks carrying signs with petition information. Apparently, the folks were not even from Washington State from what I gathered in our brief interaction... I was glad to see that towards the end of the market, they had only gathered a few signatures...

First guy interaction:
Me- "Your sign says to ask you about the 'assault gun' ban. Are you trying to ban 'assault weapons'?"
Guy- "That's right. We are petitioning support for the AG's initiative"
Me- "Does this include banning assault rifles for LEOs?
Guy- "....crickets chirping..."
Me- "I am just trying to understand more about your initiative and why you are pushing for it."
Guy- (steps close to my face and shouts)"Because assault weapons shoot 150 F%^n bullets a minute. (steps back quickly when I did not react to his bullying technique) I know what you are about and I don't want to talk to you and you can't see or sign my petition"
Me- "Do you even live on the Island?"
Guy- "...crickets chirping..."
Me-"Your sign said to ask you about your ban. You are putting yourself out here publicly petitioning in my community. Have a nice day."

Second Interaction with lady:
Me- "Your sign says to ask you about the 'assault gun' ban. Are you trying to ban 'assault weapons'?"
Lady-"Yes, we want to ban all of those guns that spew unlimited amounts of bullets with belts...you know??? (pantomimes shooting an imaginary SAW machine gun from the hip with a belt of ammunition)"
Me- "Well you know they passed legislation in the 1980s to ban machine guns defined by the ATF as assault weapons in the early 1980s."
Lady- "No, they had a ban in the 1990s and we want to bring that back"
Me- "Oh, you want to ban semi-automatic rifles with certain ergonomic and safety features. So, does your initiative include banning 'assault rifles' for LEOs?"
Lady- "Of, course not."
Me- "Why not?"
Lady- "Because they need them to defend themselves against criminals and to protect the public."
Me- "So you believe that law abiding citizens should not have the right to defend themselves from criminals or protect their families?"
Lady- "....crickets chirping.... Well, I'm from Connecticut and we don't need guns there."
Me- "Oh, so you come to my community to ban weapons which help me defend myself and family, while not even living here?"
Lady-"....crickets chirping..."
Me- "I think it is great that you have the right to come out to someone else's community and publicly petition for your perspective. Although, I believe you are doing more harm than good by creating defenseless victims in society. Have a nice day."

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countryclubjoe said:

I love the statement, " I am from Connecticut and we don't need guns there"... Enough said.

Thanks for sharing.

CCJ

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Ken56 said:

May be a good opportunity for a letter to the editors of as many major news papers as you can and relay the interaction you had. How many people ever ask a petitioner where they are from? Not many is my guess. Might be a good thing to inform as many people as you can reach that out of state invaders are trying to influence Washington state laws. There should be a law against that! lol.

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Ken56 said:

Traveling to a state is a choice and If I choose to travel to a state not of my residence then I tacitly agree to abide by the laws of that state. Maybe you don't mind a non resident petitioning to raise the property tax rate in your state but I take exception to an outsider sticking their nose into something that will not affect them. I take exception to someone who does not have a tie to my state trying to change things in my state. Petitioners should be residents of the state they gather signatures in as they will be affected by the outcome of their actions same as those who choose to sign said petition. No dog in the fight, stay out of it.

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Damiansar-15 said:

Has anyone seen recent petition activity from CeaseFire? I saw a small group at the entrance areas of Mercer Island's Farmer's Market on Sunday afternoon. I spoke to two of the folks carrying signs with petition information. Apparently, the folks were not even from Washington State from what I gathered in our brief interaction... I was glad to see that towards the end of the market, they had only gathered a few signatures...

First guy interaction:
Me- "Your sign says to ask you about the 'assault gun' ban. Are you trying to ban 'assault weapons'?"
Guy- "That's right. We are petitioning support for the AG's initiative"
Me- "Does this include banning assault rifles for LEOs?
Guy- "....crickets chirping..."
Me- "I am just trying to understand more about your initiative and why you are pushing for it."
Guy- (steps close to my face and shouts)"Because assault weapons shoot 150 F%^n bullets a minute. (steps back quickly when I did not react to his bullying technique) I know what you are about and I don't want to talk to you and you can't see or sign my petition"
Me- "Do you even live on the Island?"
Guy- "...crickets chirping..."
Me-"Your sign said to ask you about your ban. You are putting yourself out here publicly petitioning in my community. Have a nice day."

Second Interaction with lady:
Me- "Your sign says to ask you about the 'assault gun' ban. Are you trying to ban 'assault weapons'?"
Lady-"Yes, we want to ban all of those guns that spew unlimited amounts of bullets with belts...you know??? (pantomimes shooting an imaginary SAW machine gun from the hip with a belt of ammunition)"
Me- "Well you know they passed legislation in the 1980s to ban machine guns defined by the ATF as assault weapons in the early 1980s."
Lady- "No, they had a ban in the 1990s and we want to bring that back"
Me- "Oh, you want to ban semi-automatic rifles with certain ergonomic and safety features. So, does your initiative include banning 'assault rifles' for LEOs?"
Lady- "Of, course not."
Me- "Why not?"
Lady- "Because they need them to defend themselves against criminals and to protect the public."
Me- "So you believe that law abiding citizens should not have the right to defend themselves from criminals or protect their families?"
Lady- "....crickets chirping.... Well, I'm from Connecticut and we don't need guns there."
Me- "Oh, so you come to my community to ban weapons which help me defend myself and family, while not even living here?"
Lady-"....crickets chirping..."
Me- "I think it is great that you have the right to come out to someone else's community and publicly petition for your perspective. Although, I believe you are doing more harm than good by creating defenseless victims in society. Have a nice day."

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Alpine said:

Hey there. I'm also on MI. A few weekends ago Ralph Fascitelli, the head of WACeasefire, was at that market getting signatures. I did a little ambush journalism with my smartphone video camera and made him admit that the so-called "assault weapons" cause almost 0% of murders and that he really wanted to ban handguns but this was the best he could do "for now." Here is a still from it:

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Alpine said:

Hey there. I'm also on MI. A few weekends ago Ralph Fascitelli, the head of WACeasefire, was at that market getting signatures. I did a little ambush journalism with my smartphone video camera and made him admit that the so-called "assault weapons" cause almost 0% of murders and that he really wanted to ban handguns but this was the best he could do "for now." Here is a still from it:

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Ken56 said:

Traveling to a state is a choice and If I choose to travel to a state not of my residence then I tacitly agree to abide by the laws of that state. Maybe you don't mind a non resident petitioning to raise the property tax rate in your state but I take exception to an outsider sticking their nose into something that will not affect them. I take exception to someone who does not have a tie to my state trying to change things in my state. Petitioners should be residents of the state they gather signatures in as they will be affected by the outcome of their actions same as those who choose to sign said petition. No dog in the fight, stay out of it.

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Damiansar-15 said:

Has anyone seen recent petition activity from CeaseFire? I saw a small group at the entrance areas of Mercer Island's Farmer's Market on Sunday afternoon. I spoke to two of the folks carrying signs with petition information. Apparently, the folks were not even from Washington State from what I gathered in our brief interaction... I was glad to see that towards the end of the market, they had only gathered a few signatures...

First guy interaction:
Me- "Your sign says to ask you about the 'assault gun' ban. Are you trying to ban 'assault weapons'?"
Guy- "That's right. We are petitioning support for the AG's initiative"
Me- "Does this include banning assault rifles for LEOs?
Guy- "....crickets chirping..."
Me- "I am just trying to understand more about your initiative and why you are pushing for it."
Guy- (steps close to my face and shouts)"Because assault weapons shoot 150 F%^n bullets a minute. (steps back quickly when I did not react to his bullying technique) I know what you are about and I don't want to talk to you and you can't see or sign my petition"
Me- "Do you even live on the Island?"
Guy- "...crickets chirping..."
Me-"Your sign said to ask you about your ban. You are putting yourself out here publicly petitioning in my community. Have a nice day."

Second Interaction with lady:
Me- "Your sign says to ask you about the 'assault gun' ban. Are you trying to ban 'assault weapons'?"
Lady-"Yes, we want to ban all of those guns that spew unlimited amounts of bullets with belts...you know??? (pantomimes shooting an imaginary SAW machine gun from the hip with a belt of ammunition)"
Me- "Well you know they passed legislation in the 1980s to ban machine guns defined by the ATF as assault weapons in the early 1980s."
Lady- "No, they had a ban in the 1990s and we want to bring that back"
Me- "Oh, you want to ban semi-automatic rifles with certain ergonomic and safety features. So, does your initiative include banning 'assault rifles' for LEOs?"
Lady- "Of, course not."
Me- "Why not?"
Lady- "Because they need them to defend themselves against criminals and to protect the public."
Me- "So you believe that law abiding citizens should not have the right to defend themselves from criminals or protect their families?"
Lady- "....crickets chirping.... Well, I'm from Connecticut and we don't need guns there."
Me- "Oh, so you come to my community to ban weapons which help me defend myself and family, while not even living here?"
Lady-"....crickets chirping..."
Me- "I think it is great that you have the right to come out to someone else's community and publicly petition for your perspective. Although, I believe you are doing more harm than good by creating defenseless victims in society. Have a nice day."

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Damiansar-15 said:

Guy- "That's right. We are petitioning support for the AG's initiative"
Me- "Does this include banning assault rifles for LEOs?
Guy- "....crickets chirping..."

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What is an initiative to the Legislature?

An initiative is a way for the people, rather than the Legislature, to enact new laws. The Legislature may enact the initiative into law, or may send it to the General Election ballot for a vote of the people.

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RCW 29A.72.260
Rejected initiatives to legislature.
Whenever any measure proposed by initiative petition for submission to the legislature is rejected by the legislature or the legislature takes no action thereon before the end of the regular session at which it is submitted, the secretary of state shall certify the serial number and ballot title thereof to the county auditors for printing on the ballots at the next ensuing general election in like manner as initiative measures for submission to the people are certified.
[ 2003 c 111 § 1826. Prior: 1965 c 9 § 29.79.270; prior: 1913 c 138 § 21; RRS § 5417. Formerly RCW 29.79.270.]

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Alpine said:

Update, I've uploaded the video from my phone however the format is odd and I need to convert it to something I can upload to youtube, haven't had this issue before, will report back on it.

Emn, as far as the petition goes, I believe it an initiative to the legislature which (automatically?) transforms into a petition for the people to vote on if/when the legislature fails to act on it.
https://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/Initiatives-FAQ.aspx


http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=29A.72.260

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EMNofSeattle said:

Did you read their petition and get details on it?

whatever it is likely isn't legally binding, there are no initiatives for an AWB currently on file with the Sec State, I just checked now.

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