Mike Hawk
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You know the more I think about this, there's a whole list of items you could carry in that case that would embarass the !!!! out of a heavy-handed LEO upon opening your case.
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FYI: Gun "Buybacks" coming to LA area again May 7TH
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DCKilla
Regular Member
What a deal, I mean look at all those people selling those pistols and rifles for $200 or less. Some granny walks up with a 1911 her husband had left over from the war and bam instant profit. If I had a FFL in kali, oh boy.
Seriously though, you guys need to inform those folks.
Seriously though, you guys need to inform those folks.
smellslikemichigan
Campaign Veteran
not ONLY in california, they pull the same shenanigans in a lot of states, i've seen this in texas, indiana and michigan. here's an example of how we handle them in michigan although i doubt this sort of thing would be legal there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gMHv-tCgCI
ConditionThree
State Pioneer
No- that's legal here. Most firearms would need a FFL and the 10 day wait, but C + R long guns would be cash and go. Pullnshoot25 has done this, and with some organization I believe this is repeatable. The problem is getting participation.
ccrews
Regular Member
At the very least some footage of police encouraging citizens to ignore the 1000' GFSZ would show the uselessness of expanding them to 1500'.
stuckinchico
Regular Member
Just an idea.... if the buy back happen in a zone Citizens arrest baby!!!!! Make it know that citizens are willing to arrest anyone who violates this even for the buy back program
ConditionThree
State Pioneer
Not such a great idea. First, citizen's arrest is limited to certain crimes- particularly - felonies you witness. Second, you open yourself up to civil liability by taking people into custody in this way.
The first issue with attempting a citizen's arrest at a gun buyback in a gun free school zone is that 626.9 is a wobbler. Since you do not know the full extent of their violation, you can't possibly know if a felony charge applies. So if it is a misdemeanor, you have unjustifiably seized someone and you will probably be sued. Another problem is that they are there at the request of the authorities to dispose of a firearm... in all likelihood, the officers present will either accept your arrestee and let them free (and tell you to pound sand), or they will detain you while they investigate your attempt to kidnap someone or for commiting battery.
Do not attempt to do this. I believe it is enough to expose the hypocrisy and tamper with the goals of the anti-gunners. There is no reason to face a civil suit or criminal charges.
Decoligny
Regular Member
FELONIES YOU WITNESS????????
Not quite an accurate representation of the applicable Penal Code:
837. A private person may arrest another:
1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.
2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not
in his presence.
3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable
cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
A misdemeanor falls under the category of "a public offense".
Not recommending any course of action, just clarifying what is actually written into the law.
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stuckinchico
Regular Member
Cite please on the citizens arrest is only for felonies
Its for all crimes its officers that can only arrest for felonies not committed in their presence. A misdemeanor must have someone else sign the citation that witnessed it otherwise warrant needed
A citizen cited an officer for parking in front of a fire hydrant and won
Its for all crimes its officers that can only arrest for felonies not committed in their presence. A misdemeanor must have someone else sign the citation that witnessed it otherwise warrant needed
A citizen cited an officer for parking in front of a fire hydrant and won
ConditionThree
State Pioneer
Yeah, that sounds about right. I will say that since I have not commited this to memory, I have no intention of insinuating myself into circumstances unless there is no other alternative to apprehend an violent assailant, murderer, rapist, or kidnapper.
Decoligny has quoted the applicable code. You may believe I am being overly cautious and my advice about citizen's arrests was not wholly accurate, but if you want to go laying your hands on people and telling them that they are under arrest for bringing an unsecured firearm to a buyback in a school zone, be my guest. Just don't be surprised when this action blows up in your face, police hook you up, and you find yourself the target of a civil suit. In my opinion, the suggestion that anyone should do this in response to a gun buy back in a GFSZ is pure idiocy.
stuckinchico
Regular Member
Ya i agree however i was just trying to think outside the box to save perfectly good firearms. someone else got a better idea
1245A Defender
Regular Member
well,,,
last year there was a buyback in a GFSZ, lots of questions went through the thread..
It was insinuated by the cops that, they had gotten written permission from
the superintendent for blanket coverage of the event..
if they are asked, and they say the permission is granted this time too,
then regular UOCers would ALSO have permission to be in the GFSZ!
someone needs to pursue this question, get the answer, and set up a meet!:monkey:banana:
last year there was a buyback in a GFSZ, lots of questions went through the thread..
It was insinuated by the cops that, they had gotten written permission from
the superintendent for blanket coverage of the event..
if they are asked, and they say the permission is granted this time too,
then regular UOCers would ALSO have permission to be in the GFSZ!
someone needs to pursue this question, get the answer, and set up a meet!:monkey:banana:
Mike Hawk
New member
I would have to agree that this is too risky an idea. Not to mention that this law (626.9) is unconstitutional as hell anyways, hence us 2A advocates probably shouldn't be encouraging its enforcement against our fellow citizens.
But with that being said, there are plenty of other effective ways in which we can deter participation in these events, without risking this amount of legal peril.
Mike Hawk
New member
Although I'm not sure I'd trust their answer enough to go and carry in a GFSZ, yes it does need to be asked. Preferrably ON CAMERA. I'm covering the Wilmington location this time around, however if anyone is going to the Hollywood Blvd location, this would be the place to do it. It's in a GFSZ, and would be the best place IMO to publicize this fact.
pullnshoot25
Regular Member
Bullhorn!
Mike Hawk
New member
Bump. Buyback is this morning @ 0900.
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
I drove by the one on PCH. Who was the guy with the goatee in front with the large sign ? Someone from this board ?
Mike Hawk
New member
Pay no attention. That guy's a freakin lunatic!
You shoulda stopped though, I had extra signs and handouts. I hear that the other locations had a much greater turnout of pro-2Aers. But I did manage to divert a few people to the gun stores and got a few questions on camera with the supervisor too. I'll post that later.
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
Pay no attention. That guy's a freakin lunatic!
You shoulda stopped though, I had extra signs and handouts. I hear that the other locations had a much greater turnout of pro-2Aers. But I did manage to divert a few people to the gun stores and got a few questions on camera with the supervisor too. I'll post that later.
Was that you holding the "disarm" sign ?
I actually went there to turn in a busted old shotgun I had but the line was so long and I didnt like the site of all the armed LAPD there.
I was going to film them as I turned in my gun but I got the feeling I would be arrested by the fuzz.
Mike Hawk
New member
Haha yeah I was the only guy holding a sign there. "YOUR TAX $$, DISARMING AMERICANS" But the line seemed to move a lot quicker than before. It never seemed to get longer than about 1/2 block. And a lot of those cars were just in that lane by accident, trying to get to the freeway. In years past, I've seen it 2 solid blocks.