Sentenced to Death for Shopping at COSTCO

NickinSeattle · Sep 21, 2010

This man was slaughtered on the sidewalk after a COSTCO employee saw his legally carried weapon and created a panic. I read this article with horror and disgust. This is the kind of thing that happens in third world police states, not here in our country.:banghead:
I can't speak for all of you but as for me I will never shop at COSTCO again.

Here's the link.
http://standupamericaus.com/legally-carrying-a-firearm-perhaps-its-guilt-first:38508

Wastelander · Sep 21, 2010

NickinSeattle said:
This man was slaughtered on the sidewalk after a COSTCO employee saw his legally carried weapon and created a panic. I read this article with horror and disgust. This is the kind of thing that happens in third world police states, not here in our country.:banghead:
I can't speak for all of you but as for me I will never shop at COSTCO again.

Here's the link.
http://standupamericaus.com/legally-carrying-a-firearm-perhaps-its-guilt-first:38508

Sad and horrible, and I don't know about there but the Costco near me has a big sign prohibiting firearms next to the door--he DID NOT have the right to be carrying in the store. If he had listened to the store employee (or the big sign) and left he would still be alive. That said, the police did not react properly at all and this should not have happened, regardless

BROKENSPROKET · Sep 21, 2010

There is video on the internet of the news story. I remember seeing it after it happened. Very troublesome.

Springfielddx40 · Sep 21, 2010

Tears formed in my eyes after this. THIS MAN WAS MURDERED, scratch that, EXECUTED, by armed criminals. THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN EDITED BY THE MODERATOR FOR VIOLATING THE FORUM RULES.

eye95 · Sep 21, 2010

THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN EDITED BY THE MODERATOR FOR VIOLATING THE FORUM RULES. What a horrible thing to say.

wylde007 · Sep 21, 2010

eye95 said:
What a horrible thing to say.

Professional municipal hit squads exist extra-Constitutionally.

They serve no purpose but to enforce punitive laws and generate revenue. On rare occasion one may commit a random act of kindness or act with civic responsibility - but such examples are few and far between.

sultan62 · Sep 21, 2010

Wastelander said:
Sad and horrible, and I don't know about there but the Costco near me has a big sign prohibiting firearms next to the door--he DID NOT have the right to be carrying in the store. If he had listened to the store employee (or the big sign) and left he would still be alive. That said, the police did not react properly at all and this should not have happened, regardless

I don't give a FLYING **** if he wasn't allowed to carry there. It did not warrant being shot, much less four times in the back, once through the armpit while his hands were up, etc.

It was murder, plain and simple, and looking at the history of this PD, it will likely go unpunished. Also to blame are those who said he was "possibly on narcotics" and "acting suspiciously".

eye95 · Sep 21, 2010

wylde007 said:
Professional municipal hit squads exist extra-Constitutionally.

That is just factually inaccurate. Apart from specifying rights that government may not infringe, The Constitution is silent on municipal governments and municipal police forces. The Constitution's near-exclusive raison d'etre is to define the limitations of the federal government.

Furthermore, referring to police forces as "hit squads" qualifies, IMO, as cop-bashing and, if the owners agree with that assessment, is a violation of Rule 6.

Moving on.

Wastelander · Sep 21, 2010

sultan62 said:
I don't give a FLYING **** if he wasn't allowed to carry there. It did not warrant being shot, much less four times in the back, once through the armpit while his hands were up, etc.

It was murder, plain and simple, and looking at the history of this PD, it will likely go unpunished. Also to blame are those who said he was "possibly on narcotics" and "acting suspiciously".

I do not disagree with you that he should not have been shot, nor do I disagree that what the police did was murder an innocent man. I merely stated that this whole mess could have been avoided, regardless of the mentality of the individual police officers involved

merc460 · Sep 21, 2010

It seems that all of the news media video is gone..... hmmmmm. Anyways, here is some extra reading. It was posted before just can't find the thread.
http://www.702shooter.com/community-awareness/erik-scott-candlelight-vigil/

smlawrence · Sep 21, 2010

Wastelander said:
Sad and horrible, and I don't know about there but the Costco near me has a big sign prohibiting firearms next to the door--he DID NOT have the right to be carrying in the store. If he had listened to the store employee (or the big sign) and left he would still be alive. That said, the police did not react properly at all and this should not have happened, regardless

Maybe I misread something but doesn't the last paragraph of the story from the first post link say that the store where this tragedy took place "DID NOT" have a sign prohibiting weapons. So therefore the store employee did not have the right to tell him that he couldn't be carrying the gun. I also don't see in the story that anyone asked him to leave. Once again leaving him with the right to shop while carrying his gun. I will however agree with you that the police seem to have reacted improperly.

Wastelander · Sep 22, 2010

smlawrence said:
Maybe I misread something but doesn't the last paragraph of the story from the first post link say that the store where this tragedy took place "DID NOT" have a sign prohibiting weapons. So therefore the store employee did not have the right to tell him that he couldn't be carrying the gun. I also don't see in the story that anyone asked him to leave. Once again leaving him with the right to shop while carrying his gun. I will however agree with you that the police seem to have reacted improperly.

The story I read stated that he bent over or knelt down, revealing his concealed handgun, at which point he was informed by an employee that he could not carry in the store. He then responded that it was his right to carry and he had a permit, and then the employee freaked out and told security, who freaked out and told the police, who freaked out and shot the man. Regardless of whether or not there was a sign, they were within their private property rights to ask him to leave and I was under the impression that all Costco stores do not allow guns, but I could very well be wrong and it could just be the one near me. In any case, I hope that this raises awareness for 2A rights and lands the murdering officers in prison--they give good officers a bad name.

OldCurlyWolf · Sep 22, 2010

Not being privy to all the facts, I can make very few definitive statements about this incident.

One I can make is that all three officers that fired are at best incompetent and need to be fired and their CLEET status be changed to NONE, thereby making them ineligible for rehire at ANY police agency.

At worst they need to be prosecuted for premeditated murder.

eye95 · Sep 22, 2010

smlawrence said:
Maybe I misread something but doesn't the last paragraph of the story from the first post link say that the store where this tragedy took place "DID NOT" have a sign prohibiting weapons. So therefore the store employee did not have the right to tell him that he couldn't be carrying the gun...

Can you cite the relevant State law that supports this statement? I know from personal experience that, at least in Alabama, one can be asked to leave an establishment for carrying a firearm, even if no sign is posted.

wylde007 · Sep 22, 2010

eye95 said:
That is just factually inaccurate.

Wrong.

Have you read any state Constitutions which specifically provide for municipal revenue-generating law-enforcement divisions?

I'll wait.

Furthermore, referring to police forces as "hit squads" qualifies, IMO, as cop-bashing and, if the owners agree with that assessment, is a violation of Rule 6.

Opinion.

THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN EDITED BY THE MODERATOR FOR VIOLATING THE FORUM RULES.Can you cite the relevant State law that supports this statement? I know from personal experience that, at least in Alabama, one can be asked to leave an establishment for carrying a firearm, even if no sign is posted.[/QUOTE]Can you cite relevant state law that provides for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to be murdered for what amounts to civil trespass while exercising a Constitutional right?

Again, I'll wait.

eye95 · Sep 22, 2010

I ask the poster for a cite to support your position, and you rubber-and-glue it.

Moving on.

wylde007 · Sep 22, 2010

You didn't ask me to cite anything.

Thundar · Sep 22, 2010

eye95 said:
That is just factually inaccurate. Apart from specifying rights that government may not infringe, The Constitution is silent on municipal governments and municipal police forces. The Constitution's near-exclusive raison d'etre is to define the limitations of the federal government.

Furthermore, referring to police forces as "hit squads" qualifies, IMO, as cop-bashing and, if the owners agree with that assessment, is a violation of Rule 6.

Moving on.

You are most definately wrong about the constitution eye 95. 14thA secion 1 applies to states (and their sub-divisions). It specifically states that the federal and state gov'ts must apply due process before depriving on of his life. Hit squads which derive their power from the state do not apply due process, thus they violate the 14th A.

The use of hit squads is pejorative, though perhaps not bashing. If police are empowered with super rights, including the right to inflict death upon the citizen without due process, and enjoy great shelter from said government legal system in doing so, coud they not be considered hit squads? It is all about context. In the context in which it is used for the Costco murder, it seems quite appropriate to many on this forum.

The use of the word all, however, is certainly a false premise.

Live Free or Die,
Thundar

KS_to_CA · Sep 23, 2010

Wastelander said:
Sad and horrible, and I don't know about there but the Costco near me has a big sign prohibiting firearms next to the door--he DID NOT have the right to be carrying in the store. If he had listened to the store employee (or the big sign) and left he would still be alive. That said, the police did not react properly at all and this should not have happened, regardless

Have you check the Costco where he was shopping? He has the right to carry his firearm if there was no sign prior to this event. And even if there is and he disregarded the sign, the police should have enough brain not to execute an individual. That's what they are trained for.

He was an army veteran, a West Point grad, and an MBA. That idiot for a cop has been involved in a prior questionable shooting before. Which one has more integrity, you think?

iownagn-gs · Sep 23, 2010

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