TFred
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Concerning the popularity of Utah permits, no mention of what may be the biggest draw, the fact that the state of Virginia almost literally draws a big red target on the front door of anyone who desires to be able to carry discretely to protect themselves from known threats, such as domestic partners, etc.
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Va permit applications might also be dropping because:
1) the VA market for CHPs has reached near-saturation (most folks that wants one, have one), and
2) we're in a freaking DEPRESSION, with a real unemployment rate of nearly 23%. $100 is a LOT of money when someone is unemployed, and maybe people are more interested in eating and keeping their car running than buying a "permission slip"--especially when VA is ALREADY an OC state...
I think the market is currently saturated. that's a GOOD thing.
With all due respect, IMHO, the market is no where near saturated. 228,000 out of over 6 million residents? I don't know the age breakdown, but even conservatively, at least 3 to 4 million of them eligible for a CHP.
I suspect the market is uninformed, not saturated.
TFred
Certainly it is true, not everyone wants one. However, I would suggest that most people who are eligible are not aware that Virginia is a Shall-Issue state, and that for qualified people, they are fairly easy to get. No way to back that up with statistics, just a hunch.TFred...not everyone wants a CHP. As a matter of fact, look at the percentage of CHP's Vs the Va population.
Certainly it is true, not everyone wants one. However, I would suggest that most people who are eligible are not aware that Virginia is a Shall-Issue state, and that for qualified people, they are fairly easy to get. No way to back that up with statistics, just a hunch.
TFred
Perhaps a more interesting thought concerning CHPs... and perhaps worthy of another thread is, when will McDonald/Heller finally find its way to repealing the Federal GFSZA? For all practical purposes, one must have a CHP or its equivalent if you want to carry a handgun and not be a felon. If Open Carry is the "Constitutionally protected" form of carry, and no permit is required for that, how can the GFSZA be legal?
For those who have decided to not obtain a permit, does the GFSZA play into your daily thoughts? Does it influence the routes you choose to travel from point A to point B? A significant portion of the population live within a zone, and thus cannot leave their homes while in possession of a gun without breaking the law.
Imagine the run on permits if ever that first person is convicted of under the GFSZA as a lone violation of the law.
I will be a very happy camper on the day that the GFSZA is overturned. It is wrong on too many levels for the government to get away with making a felon out of so many law-abiding citizens on a daily basis. It's not really too far from that old saying, "Kill them all, and let God sort them out." This law makes us all (save 228,000) criminals, and puts us at their discretion to "sort out" at will.
TFred
I think your hunch is probably correct.Certainly it is true, not everyone wants one. However, I would suggest that most people who are eligible are not aware that Virginia is a Shall-Issue state, and that for qualified people, they are fairly easy to get. No way to back that up with statistics, just a hunch.
TFred
Absolutely.You may be right but from the conversations I have with people, far more are unaware that OC without a permit is legal.
It's almost standard for someone to say....I thought about getting a permit but don't really want one..Then say "I didn't know you could open carry without one"
It just brightens my day to tell someone how they'll be targeted for government assignation and that the CHP has a chip that'll make you sterile.:banana:
Va permit applications might also be dropping because:
1) the VA market for CHPs has reached near-saturation (most folks that wants one, have one), and
2) we're in a freaking DEPRESSION, with a real unemployment rate of nearly 23%. $100 is a LOT of money when someone is unemployed, and maybe people are more interested in eating and keeping their car running than buying a "permission slip"--especially when VA is ALREADY an OC state...
Article: Demand for gun permits drops
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One would have to think that since the McDonald case (re)affirmed the 2nd applies to the states that it would also be on the same level as the other Amendments. Particularly when dealing with privacy issues. Could it not be argued that the permit requirement is somehow a violation of the 4th?
In-order to exercise the 'bear arms' part as the individual sees fit one must submit to a low level type of search. When applying for a permit one must give certain personal information and are actually informing the Government that indeed you possess guns; things they have no business knowing if one has not committed a criminal act. Since a crime has not been committed shouldn't this information be strictly controlled and no public discloser allowed.
I may be looking at it all wrong but the idea of a permit is unconstitutional in my view and without a permit to 'bear arms as I see fit' the privacy issues are remedied. The definition of bear arms makes absolutely no differentiation of open or concealed only that you have the right to go about your business with arms carried on or about the person. I just can't see how a permit is legal in the first place.