KBCraig
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I think the OP has hit and run.
Posted: Yesterday, 4:22 AM
Last activity: Yesterday, 4:24 AM
I think the OP has hit and run.
Posted: Yesterday, 4:22 AM
Last activity: Yesterday, 4:24 AM
But the poster doesn't need to sign in to read the thread...
Please respond educate us where you got your information?
Just one more question for me tonight.
For the sake of the discussion I would like to reveal that the establishment at which I work is a bowling alley with a casino games gambling room attached via the bar.
I'm not certain to what extent the definition of casino applies.
The games room is a separate business that leases what used to be the karaoke and bar area but is still very much homogeneous with the bowling alley.
What is the law on places such as that and does this change anything?
My curious mind will appreciate any insight.
Is it an actual Casino, controlled by the state, for which the law was wrote? Its not, their are only three, Greek Town, Motor City, and MGM.
It's not an actual casino but it is regulated by the state and they have to acquire and renew licences for the game room regularly that they have to post to the public.
Thanks for the welcome!
Is it an actual Casino, controlled by the state, for which the law was wrote? Its not, their are only three, Greek Town, Motor City, and MGM. OC w/CPL only IF the majority of your sales come from alcohol. OC or CC w/CPL are both fine if the majority of your sales are not alcohol. No matter how you look at it you have to have a CPL (unless you have permission from the owner or his/her agent) to carry where their is a liquor license.
Welcome to OCDO btw!
Is it an actual Casino, controlled by the state, for which the law was wrote? Its not, their are only three, Greek Town, Motor City, and MGM.
(2) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol, or who is exempt from licensure under section 12a(1)(f), shall not carry a concealed pistol in violation of R 432.1212 or a successor rule of the Michigan administrative code promulgated under the Michigan gaming control and revenue act, 1996 IL 1, MCL 432.201 to 432.226.
R 432.1212 Weapons in casino.
Rule 212.
(1) An individual may not carry a firearm or other weapon in a casino, except for the following entities:
(a) State, county, city, township, or village law enforcement officers, as defined in section 2(e) of Act No. 203 of the Public Acts of 1965, as amended, being § 28.601 et seq. of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
(b) Federal law enforcement officers, as defined in 5 U.S.C. § 8331.
(c) Armored car personnel picking up or delivering currency at secured areas.
(2) Law enforcement officers conducting official duties within a casino shall, to the extent practicable, advise the Michigan state police gaming section of their presence.
(3) Private casino security personnel may carry handcuffs while on duty in a casino.
History: 1998-2000 AACS.
"Casino" means a building in which gaming is conducted.
“Gaming” means to deal, operate, carry on, conduct, maintain or expose or offer for play any gambling game or gambling operation.
“Gambling game” means any game played with cards, dice, equipment or a machine, including any mechanical, electromechanical or electronic device which shall include computers and cashless wagering systems, for money, credit, or any representative of value, including, but not limited to, faro, monte, roulette, keno, bingo, fan tan, twenty one, blackjack, seven and a half, klondike, craps, poker, chuck a luck, Chinese chuck a luck (dai shu), wheel of fortune, chemin de fer, baccarat, pai gow, beat the banker, panguingui, slot machine, any banking or percentage game, or any other game or device approved by the board, but does not include games played with cards in private homes or residences in which no person makes money for operating the game, except as a player.
(1) Casino gaming is authorized to the extent that it is conducted in accordance with this act.
(2) Except as provided in subsection (5), this act does not apply to any of the following:
(a) The pari-mutuel system of wagering used or intended to be used in connection with race meetings as authorized under the horse racing law of 1995, 1995 PA 279, MCL 431.301 to 431.336.
(b) Lottery games authorized under the McCauley-Traxler-Law-Bowman-McNeely lottery act, 1972 PA 239, MCL 432.1 to 432.47.
(c) Bingo or millionaire parties or any other activities authorized under the Traxler-McCauley-Law-Bowman bingo act, 1972 PA 382, MCL 432.101 to 432.120.
(d) Gambling on Native American land and land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe on which gaming may be conducted under the Indian gaming regulatory act, Public Law 100-497, 102 Stat. 2467.
(e) Recreational card playing, bowling, redemption games, and occasional promotional activities under sections 303a, 310a, 310b, 372, and 375 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.303a, 750.310a, 750.310b, 750.372, and 750.375.
(3) Any other law that is inconsistent with this act does not apply to casino gaming as provided for by this act.
(4) This act and rules promulgated by the board shall apply to all persons who are licensed or otherwise participate in gaming under this act.
(5) If a federal court or agency rules or federal legislation is enacted that allows a state to regulate gambling on Native American land or land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe, the legislature shall enact legislation creating a new act consistent with this act to regulate casinos that are operated on Native American land or land held in trust by the United States for a federally recognized Indian tribe. The legislation shall be passed by a simple majority of members elected to and serving in each house.
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Just my take.
Bronson
Well, besides WI.You are always welcome here. Open carry is huge, and Michigan is one of the most active areas anywhere.
Rarely have I disagreed with your take and do not do so now.
My bottom $ says that the entire building is off-limits to OC and CC due to the way the law is written and what has been described here. If this is truly the case, then the Building Owner should probably put up a sign to ensure that no Patrons get "jammed-up" over it.
dva2: Welcome to OCDO. I would suggest that you also post this question over at Michigan Gun Owners (MGO) in the Legal Beagles Forum Section. There are some lawyers there very well versed in Firearm Rights and Laws.
http://www.migunowners.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=180
http://www.migunowners.org/
That being the case, it appears that any place which is defined as a casino under this act would therefore be under the control of the gaming control board. Since the gaming control board ONLY lists the Detroit area casinos as under their control, it appears that this bowling alley/ gambling hall doesn't qualify.
That being the case, it appears that any place which is defined as a casino under this act would therefore be under the control of the gaming control board. Since the gaming control board ONLY lists the Detroit area casinos as under their control, it appears that this bowling alley/ gambling hall doesn't qualify.
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The place is probably licensed under the Liquor Control Commission. If so, they are exempt from the control of the board and would not be considered a casino under the law.
Citation:
http://www.michigan.gov/mgcb
To the OP, FYI this may come off as bickering on this thread, but honestly it is not, not in the least, it is great minds coming together, to offer opinions, and find facts. Please stick around!