NJ Court Says Beaten Man Has "No Need" for Firearm

Thundar · Apr 10, 2011

He was blindfolded, beaten and threatened with death. Fortunately, he was finally able to escape and the kidnappers were arrested.

The Superior Court judge who ruled in the case said Mr. Muller provided “no proof of justifiable need” to carry a firearm!

Muller was severely beaten, electrically shocked, abducted, held captive hundreds of miles from his home, threatened with death, and now fears future reprisals. And that demonstrates “no justifiable need?” That is outrageous!

Link: http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/NJ-Court-denies-beaten-man-gun-permit_2863-1.html?typpf

MKEgal · Apr 10, 2011

As Reader's Digest says... "that's outrageous!!"

Just when I thought NJ couldn't get any nuttier, I read this... :cuss: :banghead:

Someone in the comments section here posted this info on the judge:

Judge David Ironson. Like all Superior Court and Supreme Court justices, he is nominated by the Governor and approved by the State Senate Judiciary committee. You can get a bio and a pic of him here:
http://www.nj.com/morristown/index.ssf/2008/01/new_judges_ready_for_job.html

stuckinchico · Apr 12, 2011

Time for Judges to get retired

Ladies and gentlemen. There is a way for citizens to have judges removed. Here in Alabama, we have to write to a Judaical review committee which consists of a panel of 3 members. Basically you state how you feel that they have violated their judical Code of ethics preferably with documentation.
Every state has a cannon of ethics for their judges and its spelled out in black and white. They violate this, by some much as to even having a bias or opinion on a stand, they can get canned Ive complained on 3 judges and now we have 3 judge spots open. We do not have to sit back and take this. If they violate state law US Supreme court rulings they can be fined huge

Start send a message to your local judges, Enough is enough Do your job right or look for a new job

Maverick9110e · Apr 15, 2011

Freaking ridiculous. Hopefully someone in Jersey takes this to another level.

press1280 · Apr 18, 2011

Maverick9110e said:
Freaking ridiculous. Hopefully someone in Jersey takes this to another level.

They are: http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=346 . Same guy is the plaintiff, there are several judges named in the lawsuit.

district9 · May 27, 2011

I think a judge (not one named in the complaint) has granted him a permit. Anyone able to confirm?

fjpro2a · May 29, 2011

Permit Grantd

district9 said:
I think a judge (not one named in the complaint) has granted him a permit. Anyone able to confirm?

Although I am not an authoritative source, I remember reading yesterday in the papers that a Morristown County judge did, in fact, grant him a permit. Big Deal!!!! Any qualified person should be granted a permit. When did "NEED" become a requirement? I though it was the bill of rights, not the bill of needs.

press1280 · May 30, 2011

district9 said:
I think a judge (not one named in the complaint) has granted him a permit. Anyone able to confirm?

Yes, that is correct. But the lawsuit is stll in place. They have other plaintiffs who are regular Joes who just want to carry just in case.

district9 · Jun 3, 2011

press1280 said:
Yes, that is correct. But the lawsuit is stll in place. They have other plaintiffs who are regular Joes who just want to carry just in case.

Good. Hope they prevail. I'd like to apply to NJ as a non-resident, but I suspect right now it's a waste of time and money, even though they do allow non-residents to apply (unlike CA and NY).

papa bear · Jun 3, 2011

my suggestion is Delaware is pretty close. its no wonder i meet a lot of people from NJ

Gilly · Sep 30, 2011

correct

district9 said:
Good. Hope they prevail. I'd like to apply to NJ as a non-resident, but I suspect right now it's a waste of time and money, even though they do allow non-residents to apply (unlike CA and NY).

You're right. You would be wasting your time. Carry permits for residents are as rare as hen's teeth. I can't imagine there are very many non-resident permits for regular citizens out there.

tyc · Dec 31, 2012

Thundar said:
He was blindfolded, beaten and threatened with death. Fortunately, he was finally able to escape and the kidnappers were arrested.

The Superior Court judge who ruled in the case said Mr. Muller provided “no proof of justifiable need” to carry a firearm!

Do us all a favor ... post a picture of the "judge" so we can all see what "the enemy" looks like.

tyc

davidmcbeth · Dec 31, 2012

So I guess I don't need my fire extinguisher .... after all, there is no fire right now

tyc · Jan 1, 2013

davidmcbeth said:
So I guess I don't need my fire extinguisher .... after all, there is no fire right now

Good one! Hope you don't mind if I "steal" it. It's a jem.

tyc

press1280 · Jan 2, 2013

tyc said:
Good one! Hope you don't mind if I "steal" it. It's a jem.

tyc

Keep your eyes peeled in early February as the 3rd Circuit will either rule or have oral arguments in this case. BTW it's now Piszczatoski v. Filko.

Fallschirjmäger · Jan 2, 2013

I can understand the judge's reasoning.
It's rare for anyone to get beaten to within an inch of his life, right?

So the odds of it happening TWICE must be approaching infinitesimal. With such vanishingly small odds, why would he need a permit?

.... Of course, to believe that reasoning you'd have to be within an inch of being brain dead.

tyc · Jan 3, 2013

Thundar said:
He was blindfolded, beaten and threatened with death. Fortunately, he was finally able to escape and the kidnappers were arrested.
The Superior Court judge who ruled in the case said Mr. Muller provided “no proof of justifiable need” to carry a firearm!
... That is outrageous!
Link: http://www.gunreports.com/news/news/NJ-Court-denies-beaten-man-gun-permit_2863-1.html?typpf

Experience has shown me that most lawyers who are appointed or elected as judges are in fact legal "flunkies" who couldn't survive in the competitive world of legal practice. So they either leave town, choose another way to to make a living or all else failling, they become employees of the employer of last resort - government. There are in my opinion just too many of these "priests" in government - at all levels. As I see it, they are essentially on a glorified version of welfare.

I for one am of the firm conviction that we need far fewer lawyers in our courts and involved with our government. They should be replaced by historians, people who understand the lessons which history has to offer.

Just my opinion.

tyc

countryclubjoe · Mar 3, 2013

Hi Folks

Is there any more available information regarding this case?

The whole gun permit process in NJ should be challenged in court.

Thank you for your time and I look forward to this forum.

Best regards.

CCJ

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