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http://www.wfaa.com/news/ready-aim-...protect-themselves-and-others-part-1/27672243
"I saw that he was armed, hes my first target"
"I saw that he was armed, hes my first target"
The criminals informed the police that they had changed their mind upon discovering armed customers and were waiting for Matt and J.P. to leave
http://www.examiner.com/article/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw
And that's from an actual news event, not a scripted mock-up done by an anti-carry yellow journalism editorialist.
http://www.examiner.com/article/open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-kennesaw
And that's from an actual news event, not a scripted mock-up done by an anti-carry yellow journalism editorialist.
Agree, total BS!!! How many petty thieves are gonna be "looking" for someone OCing when they go into a place? And what are the odds of the attacker walking into a place and the OC person is lined up perfectly in the line of sight for the attacker to notice? and if he did notice, does that attacker want to be charged with murder or maybe go to a softer target.Yep, the whole "I spotted the openly carried gun right away, yeah, BS! The guy's hot a helmet on his head and camera strapped to his chest.
They've got frickin helmets and goggles on! Using unfamiliar pistols. Give them some time to become accustomed to the gear and the location for a day or two, the pistol a few weeks before. Now set it up again.
This time put helmets and cameras on everyone. Make it a double blind test. Shooter does not know defender or where he's going to be. Use a shooter with something less than 22 years SWAT/instructor experience. Heck get volunteers for both 'sides'
Use simmunitions not airsoft.
It's BS just like the ABC one several years ago.
But even this all said and done, even if the shooter was able to kill all of them every time, that still does not support the banning or regulation of firearms possession.
Yep, the whole "I spotted the openly carried gun right away, yeah, BS! The guy's hot a helmet on his head and camera strapped to his chest.
They've got frickin helmets and goggles on! Using unfamiliar pistols. Give them some time to become accustomed to the gear and the location for a day or two, the pistol a few weeks before. Now set it up again.
This time put helmets and cameras on everyone. Make it a double blind test. Shooter does not know defender or where he's going to be. Use a shooter with something less than 22 years SWAT/instructor experience. Heck get volunteers for both 'sides'
Use simmunitions not airsoft.
It's BS just like the ABC one several years ago.
But even this all said and done, even if the shooter was able to kill all of them every time, that still does not support the banning or regulation of firearms possession.
We've been down this road before...many times.
Urban myth, a lie repeated often enough..., distorts reality, everybody is an expert, etc., etc., etc.
Training and planning ahead are good. When the SHTF don't rely on it being in accordance with what you expect; especially if the training is slanted or loaded too much to one side.
Still looking for the normal, everyday OCer preemptively taken out.
So, the open carry just happened to be seated in a position in the conference room where the actor playing the assailant highly trained, body-armor wearing SWAT officer/instructor "noticed" him first.
Suuuuure. My money says the "bad-guy" knew who the OCer was. And, even if he didn't, the advanced urban combat training (SWAT) put him high above your average nut-case with a gun.
And, all that aside, we hashed this to death years ago: OCers often OC as social activism, encouraging others to carry by personal, visible demonstration. Those who do made a calculation and decided to take that risk. Too bad the story's author's chose to scare others with a tilted scenario rather than let them decide for themselves by explaining both the pros and cons of OC.
Firstly, I would love to know just how many bad guys get their hands on and use body armor. And secondly, anyone that's been shot while wearing body armor knows that it does exactly jack to minimize the KINETIC energy. They may not penetrate, but with most real rounds, a person WILL be staggered and disrupted. This test was rigged for failure from the start.
but even the CCers had the mask and no one else. OC deters crime, as im told here, so why didnt he just leave?
the same swat guy went up against everyone, not just the OCer. so no one was treated differently.
Nothing to explain yet. Details needed are severally lacking.
Not everyone agrees with me.you have been down this road here on the threads. so just because its "discussed" here, where everyone agrees with you, doesnt make it fact.
Article to me shows the civilians did a very good job - 3/4 killed attacker in most scenarios.
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