Ajetpilot
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So, what would you accept as an answer?
How about, " Lexi is trained to assist my mental disability." You can't ask what the disability is, so must you then accept the dog, or risk a law suit?
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So, what would you accept as an answer?
Metalhead47
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The problem with the whole ADA, re: service animals... is that there IS no official certification process. Places can ask the person for ID for disabled benefits, but there's no way to "card" the the critter. This becomes a problem when both disabled people and others learn this and use it to abuse the system.
gogodawgs
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No I can not ask about the persons disability.
And ajetpilot, answering your question is tough. There is far more to the answer than what you can answer here. The behavior of the customer, the behavior of the pet, the body language of the person, etc... Therefore, I am unable to answer your hypothetical question, but be assured I have rarely needed to ask and when I have I have been correct. Most of the time the pet is not under the persons complete control.
Metalhead47
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No, you cannot ask ABOUT their disability, but if you offer some kind of reduced pricing for the disabled, you can ask for verification that they are. Same as "carding" for seniors.
Ajetpilot
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Zazzle has everything you need to make your pet look like a service animal. I wonder if there is a law against impersonating a service animal. Hmmm...
http://tinyurl.com/64mplsn
Ans: Yup. RCW 70.84 http://tinyurl.com/684n2tp
http://tinyurl.com/64mplsn
Ans: Yup. RCW 70.84 http://tinyurl.com/684n2tp
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amlevin
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It may be unlawful to "impersonate" but look at the "Penalties" section. The only ones subject to penalty, apparently, are those who deny accommodation, but none for those who impersonate??????
Metalhead47
Regular Member
Ah yes... doncha just love the gov't? Heap special rights on special people.
What is it SVG is so fond of saying, "you can't legislate compassion?"
amlevin
Regular Member
Right up there with "there is no cure for Stupid!"
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Damn right! :lol:
Oh there is its called survival of the fittest and natural selection yet unfortunately they are legislating against this natural cure too.:lol:
Metalhead47
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I disagree with the wording. Stating the need for a "cure" implies that the root cause is a disease or condition, something to blame external to the individual.
I much prefer, "you can't fix stupid, 'cuz stupid is a choice."
CAHOLO
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It is illegal to fake a service dog
Fake certification papers do NOT make your pet a service dog.
Requirements:
1. The handler MUST be disabled
2. The dog MUST be trained to assist with that disability, by doing trained tasks.
3. Protection, companionship, comfort, emotional support, etc do NOT count as tasks.
Leave your pet at home. Pets are a danger to real service dogs.
Fake certification papers do NOT make your pet a service dog.
Requirements:
1. The handler MUST be disabled
2. The dog MUST be trained to assist with that disability, by doing trained tasks.
3. Protection, companionship, comfort, emotional support, etc do NOT count as tasks.
Leave your pet at home. Pets are a danger to real service dogs.
While it is my habit to welcome new people to OCDO (and I do welcome you), doubt you realize that you have just posted to a thread that has been dead (necro thread) for 4 years. That is generally considered bad form.
Service dog rules/laws will be different in different states/areas. Some allow service dogs "in training"; though I would not condone faking such with a pet.
Not all service dogs are for the disabled; therefore, the handler need not be disabled. As an example, consider search & rescue dogs - they need to be acclimatized to strangers and still obey commands. I have several friends that train such creatures and yes part of their training is going out in public.
Also the service dog thing is somewhat off-topic for the thread and has little to nothing to do with OC.
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This is a violation of the ACA if the dog is designated as such [strike]and was wearing the required service animal ID (usually both a vest and an ID card)[/strike].
Per http://www.wwcc.capmed.mil/WTB/S1 Policy Documents/Policy 21- Service Dogs.pdf The ADA does recognize psychiatric service dogs.
By a stretch it relates to OC in that it is an example of those who do not know the law making it up as they go and the need all to often to work up the food chain to get resolution. Rights need to be exercised and protected.
That being said, I think this thread drift is due for shutdown.
stay safe.
Further checking reveals that "service dog" is pretty much like "disability" - until someone documents the animal does not meet the ADA definition of service dog there is no requirement for certification. The vests/ID cards are a convenience.
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/ad2013_01.pdf The US Army does not provide service dogs. Per the above neither the Army nor the VA recognize emotional health/psychiatric service dogs.
Per http://www.wwcc.capmed.mil/WTB/S1 Policy Documents/Policy 21- Service Dogs.pdf The ADA does recognize psychiatric service dogs.
By a stretch it relates to OC in that it is an example of those who do not know the law making it up as they go and the need all to often to work up the food chain to get resolution. Rights need to be exercised and protected.
That being said, I think this thread drift is due for shutdown.
stay safe.
Further checking reveals that "service dog" is pretty much like "disability" - until someone documents the animal does not meet the ADA definition of service dog there is no requirement for certification. The vests/ID cards are a convenience.
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golddigger14s
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GS, lock it. Let it die. The service animal thing has changed in the last couple of years. Also stores are not enforcing it no matter how much I complain.
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