A quick pro-tip for those who argue in here

Dreamer said:

The use of portmanteaus in political commentary and satire is a LONG and honorable practice. Mark Twain was perhaps the master of this in the USA, and people like Oscar Wilde and Charles Dickens used it to great effect too.

Personally, I find clever wordplay in political discourse to be a sign of intelligence, creativity, and the ability to "think outside the box". And those who would object to this practice must, to my understanding, lack these traits.

That's all I have to say about that...

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Perhaps if the jibes were clever, new, used pointedly, etc. Instead we get the SOS play (Same old sh-t). Wow, you made Obama into Obozo, good for you *pat on head for the special needs child*. Oh, you're special, calling Bush "Shrub", never heard that one before, want a lollipop?

It's the most obvious example of in the box thinking, because it's just repeating hatred without explication of problematic policy and potential solutions.

Tawnos said:

Perhaps if the jibes were clever, new, used pointedly, etc. Instead we get the SOS play (Same old sh-t). Wow, you made Obama into Obozo, good for you *pat on head for the special needs child*. Oh, you're special, calling Bush "Shrub", never heard that one before, want a lollipop?

It's the most obvious example of in the box thinking, because it's just repeating hatred without explication of problematic policy and potential solutions.

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So suggesting someone is a special needs child is OK~~I get it now, the same old liberal game.

WalkingWolf said:

So suggesting someone is a special needs child is OK~~I get it now, the same old liberal game.

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I love when I'm called liberal by people here, conservative by people elsewhere, and both mean it as a smear job, when the terms are meaningless outside of context.

But sure, if you want to keep calling the president names like a little schoolyard child would call another person he does not like, be my guest. It would be much more impressive, though, if you actually addressed policies and actions rather than merely parroting *bwaaaak*Obozo*bwaaaak*.

Dreamer said:

The use of portmanteaus in political commentary and satire is a LONG and honorable practice. Mark Twain was perhaps the master of this in the USA, and people like Oscar Wilde and Charles Dickens used it to great effect too.

Personally, I find clever wordplay in political discourse to be a sign of intelligence, creativity, and the ability to "think outside the box". And those who would object to this practice must, to my understanding, lack these traits.

That's all I have to say about that...

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Lets not forget Saul Alynisky's tactic of marginalizing and ridiculing the opposition. I love using their tactics against them. The only people who say anything more idiotic than obooba defenders, are in the administration itself.

Tawnos said:

I love when I'm called liberal by people here, conservative by people elsewhere, and both mean it as a smear job, when the terms are meaningless outside of context.

But sure, if you want to keep calling the president names like a little schoolyard child would call another person he does not like, be my guest. It would be much more impressive, though, if you actually addressed policies and actions rather than merely parroting *bwaaaak*Obozo*bwaaaak*.

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I didn't call you liberal, I said it was the same old liberal game, and it is. I have no doubt there may be some conservatives that play liberal games, but it is what it is. You whimper and cry about name calling and then in the same paragraph do it yourself, it is a typical liberal trait.

BTW why do people get so incensed by the word liberal?

WalkingWolf said:

You whimper and cry about name calling and then in the same paragraph do it yourself, it is a typical liberal trait.

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Whimper and cry? Calling people on their bull is far from that, but whatever floats your boat, sparky.

Good point. Every time I see one of these words I automatically tune out the poster: libtard, republitard, rupublicrap, democrap, socialism, socialist, obummer, moonbat messiah (seriously? this one still perplexes me. where did that even come from?), nobama, liberalism (or liberal when they're used just as an insult), or something similar.

And I'm sure others do as well.

SovereignAxe said:

moonbat messiah (seriously? this one still perplexes me. where did that even come from?)

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The messiah of the moonbats... That perplexes you? I found it pretty damn funny, hence my regular use of it.

(or liberal when they're used just as an insult)

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Is there any other way to use it? :lol:

PrayingForWar said:

Is there any other way to use it? :lol:

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Classically.

The reason conservative and liberal are so meaningless is that the terms could mean vastly different things. E.g. a conservative person could be one that wants to conserve the status quo. It could also be one that wants to expend more to conserve nature, art, etc. It could also be one that wants to conserve the amount spent. The term, on its own, is meaningless.

Similarly, "liberal" could mean one that wants to change the status quo. It could also mean one who wants to expend a lot of money, time, and effort towards a cause.

"Moderate" could mean one who wants bits and pieces of the status quo. It could also mean one who sits between the extremes, globally or locally.



And "moonbat messiah" really doesn't make sense. I mean, I know "moonbat" comes from either the Great Moon Hoax or the ship from Heinlein's short story, but I'm not sure how that ever got to be associated with a political epithet. Add to that "messiah", and it's very confusing. A president is many things, but a king he or she is not. So I have to assume it's "king of the" in the phrase meaning "greatest of the", but even then, I need only look at a local newspaper to find much stronger examples of people that you, PFW, would call "leftists" or "moonbats."

Oh Well, Life Goes On In OC.o World !

"A fool and his words are soon parted." -- William Shenstone

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt ." -- George Eliot

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."-- Abraham Lincoln (also attr. Confucius)

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-- Mark Twain (1835-1910)

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." -- Bible, 'Proverbs' 17:28. :exclaim: :lol:

peace&rkba4ever!

Additionally, the comments from moosejaw were generally about jbone's positions and actions. E.g. his viewpoints were irrational and his actions and expressions bigoted. Considering jbone and PFW do act like spiteful, hateful people to "liberals" (read: anyone who doesn't exactly align their viewpoint to what jbone/PFW thinks is right), it's not name calling or directly insulting. It's calling a spade a spade, and nothing more.

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I must of missed something Tawnos. What comments are you talking about that I made about jbone? I don't remember making any comments about jbone's positions and actions.

()pen(arry said:

If you want to be convincing and seen as a serious, intelligent person, you ought to try extra hard not to throw around "clever" nicknames for, and misspellings and portmanteaus of the names of, people you don't like. It doesn't add weight to what you're saying. It just makes you sound like a six year old on the playground arguing about whether He-Man could beat up Lion-O.

Eat two more big bites, and you can get down from the table.

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Shut up pigpen harry.

Tawnos said:

Additionally, the comments from moosejaw were generally about jbone's positions and actions. E.g. his viewpoints were irrational and his actions and expressions bigoted. Considering jbone and PFW do act like spiteful, hateful people to "liberals" (read: anyone who doesn't exactly align their viewpoint to what jbone/PFW thinks is right), it's not name calling or directly insulting. It's calling a spade a spade, and nothing more.

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You make it hard to believe you're not a liberal when you rationalize the very things you condemn. Spade a spade, what a dirty deceitful oppressing little man you present yourself as. Not a supporter of the things Tawnos cherishes, well now you've become "irrational and...expressions bigoted" What a sub-human trash talker.


Hey, just calling a spade a spade!

hjmoosejaw said:

I must of missed something Tawnos. What comments are you talking about that I made about jbone? I don't remember making any comments about jbone's positions and actions.

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That was another of Tawnos liberal like tactics, placing his filthy month on someone else. In another thread one of them called other people dirty, and in their next reply assigned the use and meaning behind their word to another, claiming the other spoke of the dirty people. What a trash-bag.

Tawnos reminds me of the poster eye95, he couldn't be trusted either.

You walk down a street and ask just about anyone what a liberal is and they will tell you. Same for conservative.

Liberals don't like that they are called liberal because just about everyone knows what liberals stand for, and folks don't like what liberals stand for or what liberals want to make of this country.

Hence the birth of 'progressive' to refer to themselves.

Liberals and liberalism will be the death of this country and there is ample evidence to confirm this.

Liberals move to the right during a election cycle, that is all ya need to know.

OC for ME said:

You walk down a street and ask just about anyone what a liberal is and they will tell you. Same for conservative.

Liberals don't like that they are called liberal because just about everyone knows what liberals stand for, and folks don't like what liberals stand for or what liberals want to make of this country.

Hence the birth of 'progressive' to refer to themselves.

Liberals and liberalism will be the death of this country and there is ample evidence to confirm this.

Liberals move to the right during a election cycle, that is all ya need to know.

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Yeah, like a name change makes it impossible to see them for who they are. "The Artist Formally Known As Prince" was still Prince. When John Cougar went to John Melloncamp, we all still knew it was John Cougar. Like a kid covering his eyes with his hand and saying, "You can't see me."

hjmoosejaw said:

I must of missed something Tawnos. What comments are you talking about that I made about jbone? I don't remember making any comments about jbone's positions and actions.

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I'm sorry, you're right. I meant ()pen(arry, and got that confused because of the early scuffle between you and him about his childish namecalling/modification.

OC for ME said:

You walk down a street and ask just about anyone what a liberal is and they will tell you. Same for conservative.

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Any street where? If two people tell you different things, then what do you do?

What do YOU think liberal and conservative mean, in political terms?

Tawnos said:

I'm sorry, you're right. I meant ()pen(arry, and got that confused because of the early scuffle between you and him about his childish namecalling/modification.

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Thanks for clarifying!

Tawnos said:

Whimper and cry? Calling people on their bull is far from that, but whatever floats your boat, sparky.

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This thread bores me and I semi skimmed it but .... but .... the one thing I can't stand to hear is SPARKY!

That is offensive. It grates on me worse than someone who bites their fork.