http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/21/why-obamacare-is-fantastic-succe:
brings a whole new light to the game :banghead:
brings a whole new light to the game :banghead:
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obamacare a huge success
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Same one I had seen
F350
Regular Member
Isn't that the same page you get when trying to go to the Obummercare signup page???
b0neZ
Regular Member
Link works, at least on mobile stuff.
Running Wolf
Campaign Veteran
I stopped listening when he quoted the IRS estimate of $20,000 per year for health insurance. This is inaccurate hyperbole. The guy sounds like just another demagogue. There are so many voices screaming "be afraid, be very afraid" from both sides of this issue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/
eye95
Well-known member
I don't think that is hyperbolic. It amounts to about $1700 a month for a family. That is quite possible if the kind of inefficiencies government injects has a predictable effect on the cost of "health care."
Remember, when the income tax was first proposed, a senator stood up on the floor of the Senate that, if the tax were passed, it would soon reach 1/2 of a percent, and the American people would not stand for it. I am sure that was thought to be hyperbolic.
One of the reasons that Obamacontrol is so bad is that we, the people, lose control of the spending. When that happens, you get very expensive hammers, toilet seats, and "health care." That is the point, not the number--which is not at all hyperbolic.
Running Wolf
Campaign Veteran
Hyperbole or not, it is intellectually dishonest. The IRS did not estimate the cost of health care will be 20k by 2016. Please keep in mind I am not defending obamacare (and certainly not the IRS), or even attacking the speaker in the linked video.
I do not trust anyone, regardless of their political, religious, or what-have-you views that attempt to sway people with purely fear-based arguments. Chicken Little was debunked many years ago . . .
I do not trust anyone, regardless of their political, religious, or what-have-you views that attempt to sway people with purely fear-based arguments. Chicken Little was debunked many years ago . . .
eye95
Well-known member
You know for a fact that the IRS made no such estimate? It's hard to prove a negative. OTOH, are you calling the speaker out for not citing a source?
If someone could find a cite for this stat (or an IRS estimate that differs), that would kinda settle things.
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Running Wolf
Campaign Veteran
Actually that factcheck.org link I included above describes the original IRS statement that was subsequently misquoted. The 20k figure is just another "fact" created by the interwebz geniuses quoting each other.
eye95
Well-known member
The exact words from the IRS were:
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77zach
Regular Member
Obamacare is designed to fail. What they want is an NHS a la UK.
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
My insurance is going from $829 this year to $1659 per month Jan 1 2014 for my wife and I.
There are not enough people screaming be afraid IMHO.
eye95
Well-known member
Let's see $1659 per month is $19,908 per year. And that is with no kids.
$20K per year is NOT hyperbole. Someone needs to finish watching the video.
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
Someone needs to understand the government subsidy is part of the cost of health insurance.
eye95
Well-known member
The person to whom my remark was directed was the person who stopped watching the video because he says that saying that 20K for health care was hyperbole. You reported 19.9 K. HE needs to finish watching the video.
Moving on.
Moving on.
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davidmcbeth
Banned
You know that you and me are getting no "subsidy" ...
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
Well I knew about me.
Jeff Hayes
Regular Member
My comment was directed at that person not you, we were discussing "someone" right? You get it, he does not. I so agree, he needs to finish the video.