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A day in history when gun control wasn't discussed

peter nap

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I can't imagine why this is never mentioned by the anti's, but Teddy Roosevelt, the last great President this country had, was shot during a campaign speech.

He didn't whine about it or make passionate calls for gun control, he calmly walked back on stage and said:

[SIZE=+2]F[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]riends[/SIZE], I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. But fortunately I had my manuscript, so you see I was going to make a long speech, and there is a bullet - there is where the bullet went through - and it probably saved me from it going into my heart. The bullet is in me now, so that I cannot make a very long speech, but I will try my best.

I wonder what Goddard has to say about that....oh, wait a minute. He isn't an American. Why would he be concerned with OUR Heritage.:mad:
 
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Wow, I never knew that. I like his attitude though, "I just got shot but I'm going to finish my speech first." That's my kind of guy.
 
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thebigsd said:
Wow, I never knew that. I like his attitude though, "I just got shot but I'm going to finish my speech first." That's my kind of guy.
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Teddy was quite a man. When Taft wouldn't let him run as a Republican he ran as a Bull Moose and kicked his butt.

This is one of the days in the year I like to remember.
The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley) and the massacre at Kent State (The day our country had a heart attack).
 
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peter nap said:
The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley).
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Being more of an easterner, I was not aware of the battle of the valley.

Very interesting reading.

TFred

ETA: Interesting excerpt. Custer's Confederate opponent was kicked out of UVA for shooting a fellow student!

His opponent in the Valley was a gifted military leader in his own right, one whose perfection of guerrilla-style warfare would sorely test Custer. John Singleton Mosby was born December 6, 1833, in Edgemont, Va. An excellent student, Mosby joined the Virginia bar in 1855 after being dismissed from the University of Virginia for shooting and wounding a fellow student.
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TFred said:
Being more of an easterner, I was not aware of the battle of the valley.

Very interesting reading.

TFred

ETA: Interesting excerpt. Custer's Confederate opponent was kicked out of UVA for shooting a fellow student!
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Being born in Shenandoah County, I was taught early about Custer.
Generally, he wanted to cut the food supply so he took his troops through the Valley burning crops and homes and stealing what there was to steal (He stole a gold watch from us).

The Valley was unguarded except for women, children and old men.
When he was killed at Little Bighorn it took a few weeks for the news to get to the New Market area but when it did, there was a community shindig that some still celebrate.
 
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Well, at least he wasn't kicked out just for carrying!
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Good point... back when crimes were actually crimes. I bet most of the gentlemen carried, or at least had their firearms on campus with them for the return trips home.

It would be interesting to get a historian of the university to do a report on the rise of gun control on campus. The '60s maybe?

TFred
 
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Why celebrate a Progressive?

peter nap said:
Teddy was quite a man. When Taft wouldn't let him run as a Republican he ran as a Bull Moose and kicked his butt.

This is one of the days in the year I like to remember.
The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley) and the massacre at Kent State (The day our country had a heart attack).
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Theodore Roosevelt was a Progressive who endorsed Eugenics. Quite a man indeed.

No thanks.
 
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TFred said:
Being more of an easterner, I was not aware of the battle of the valley.
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peter nap said:
Being born in Shenandoah County, I was taught early about Custer.
Generally, he wanted to cut the food supply so he took his troops through the Valley burning crops and homes and stealing what there was to steal (He stole a gold watch from us).

The Valley was unguarded except for women, children and old men.
When he was killed at Little Bighorn it took a few weeks for the news to get to the New Market area but when it did, there was a community shindig that some still celebrate.
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Being originally from a lot further east than TFred (by about 3000 miles or so), my knowledge of Custer was restricted to learning that he was a flamboyant idiot who's reckless behavior in the old west caused the 'Indians' to hate him. I had no idea, until I read the account of his actions in the Valley linked to in this thread, that he'd earned a revulsion in Virginia that's probably similar to that in which Sherman is held in Georgia & South Carolina.

Very interesting read, thank you for posting the link.
 
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Repeater said:
Theodore Roosevelt was a Progressive who endorsed Eugenics. Quite a man indeed.

No thanks.
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Oh yeah...progressive

Yes, but the progressive movement of the early 20th century was nothing like the communist progressive movement of today. The old one stopped child labor, gave women the vote, started the national parks, and broke up the trusts; all things which were needed and pro-American in principle. FAR different than what can be said about today's progressives. It's another term which has been unjustifiably co-opted by the left for disinformation purposes.
 
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Please don't think all people from England share his views. A point I was trying to make to Skid this morning when I finally made it to breakfast, is that when someone makes the conscious choice to live in another country from the one he or she was born in then they should accept the laws and the culture of their new home, rather than expect the new home to change for their benefit. After all, there is a reason why they left their old country in the first place (for me it was because my wife is from this country and she didn't want to leave it). I've seen first hand what happens to a country when it allows the immigrants to set the rules for the native population, the England I left in 2001 no longer exists. Please don't allow it to happen here as well.
 
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peter nap said:
Oh yeah...progressive

Yes, but the progressive movement of the early 20th century was nothing like the communist progressive movement of today. The old one stopped child labor, gave women the vote, started the national parks, and broke up the trusts; all things which were needed and pro-American in principle. FAR different than what can be said about today's progressives. It's another term which has been unjustifiably co-opted by the left for disinformation purposes.
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Teddy supported a confiscatory progressive tax and promoted Socialist ideals. As an advocate of Eugenics, he has this to say:
Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce.
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No thanks.
 
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Repeater said:
Teddy supported a confiscatory progressive tax and promoted Socialist ideals. As an advocate of Eugenics, he has this to say:


No thanks.
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I guess we all have our views and choose our heroes ...so I'll keep him on top. You can pick any you like and with the exception of Jefferson and Washington, I'll say "No Thanks".
 
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peter nap said:
Teddy was quite a man. When Taft wouldn't let him run as a Republican he ran as a Bull Moose and kicked his butt.

This is one of the days in the year I like to remember.
The day Custer was killed is another(Caused a big Celebration in the Shenandoah Valley) and the massacre at Kent State (The day our country had a heart attack).
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And Custer was under orders from Sheridan who was under orders from Lincoln to burn out the valley. Isn't it interesting that so many Americans don't know this. But then, the winner writes the history books which is why most believe that slavery was the cause of the War Between the States. These same folks idealize Lincoln who was not exactly the president people think he was.

Custer also executed some Southern soldiers in Front Royal (five as I recall). Four were hung and one was shot to death. In retaliation, Mosby caught some of Custer's men and executed them. John Singleton Mosby is one of my childhood heroes and he remains such even today. He is buried about 13-14 miles from my home. I have perhpas four relatives by marriage who were associated with Mosby during the war with at least one of them riding with him.
 
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