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Non-res open carry

swinokur

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I think carrying it gives you access which will not give you FOPA protection. As USER pointed out, having access is the problem. Even if locked, you have access.

See Revell vs Port Authority of NY and NJ

I think shipping it to yourself is the safest method. IANAL
 

JamesB

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Method of transport? car, train, boat, plane?

If you are going through DC and have to change trains, I'd forget it if it was me.

You can UPS it to yourself. Must go next day and you must declare the weapon to the carrier. I think Fed EX will only ship to an FFL. Check their web site.

UPS will ship a firearm to any real address (not a po box). Hehe last time mine went on tour without me the packing label said "office equipment"
 

swinokur

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UPS will ship a firearm to any real address (not a po box). Hehe last time mine went on tour without me the packing label said "office equipment"

Be careful. If you do not declare your firearm to the carrier and it is lost, the carrier is not responsible for the shipment or reimbursing you. read the terms of agreement at the UPS site.
 

JamesB

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Be careful. If you do not declare your firearm to the carrier and it is lost, the carrier is not responsible for the shipment or reimbursing you. read the terms of agreement at the UPS site.

It was insured for more than its purchase price.

It is posible they thought it was a hard drive or some such. But with a shipping address of Glock, Smyrna GA, I thought it was just funny they would actually ask what was in the box.
 

swinokur

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It was insured for more than its purchase price.

It is posible they thought it was a hard drive or some such. But with a shipping address of Glock, Smyrna GA, I thought it was just funny they would actually ask what was in the box.

Doesn't matter if you insured it for a million dollars and had Glock's name on it. If you falsify what is in the box and don't disclose the shipment as a firearm, and it's lost, you get nada.

UPS WEB Site :
  • When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.
  • See the terms and conditions in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service for information regarding firearm shipments.
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US Code Tite 18 Chapter 44 SS 922
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
So not only is UPS not obligated to pay a claim based on false information, you violated Federal law. I don't see where the carrier is to assume what the contents are based on the shipping address.
 
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