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CC In Meijers...wait..what?

MikeTheGreek

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I stopped at Meijers to get some donuts (I know, Imma be a great cop) and I saw someone clearly concealing a gun..and not very well, it was pretty obvious. But..with the knowledge of CC/OC that I have (Which isn't a ton) That's VERY illegal isnt it? I was under the impression that with a CPL you can only OC in places that sold booze.

Am I right, or am I an idiot?

I wasn't sure if I should have said something to the guy.:question:
 

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I stopped at Meijers to get some donuts (I know, Imma be a great cop) and I saw someone clearly concealing a gun..and not very well, it was pretty obvious. But..with the knowledge of CC/OC that I have (Which isn't a ton) That's VERY illegal isnt it? I was under the impression that with a CPL you can only OC in places that sold booze.

Am I right, or am I an idiot?

I wasn't sure if I should have said something to the guy.:question:

MCL 28.425o provides that a person with a valid
CPL shall not carry a concealed pistol in a pistolfree zone. First offense is a state civil infraction.
The following is a list of the premises (excluding
parking lots) included in the statute:
 School or school property, except a parent or
legal guardian who is dropping off or picking up a
child and the pistol is kept in the vehicle
 Public or private day care center
 Sports arena or stadium
A bar or tavern where sale and consumption of
liquor by the glass is the primary source of
income (does not apply to owner or employee of
the business).
 Any property or facility owned or operated by a
church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other
place of worship, unless authorized by the
presiding official
 An entertainment facility that has a seating
capacity of 2,500 or more
 A hospital
 A dormitory or classroom of a community college,
college, or university
 A casino (R 432.1212, MCL 432.202)


The actual law: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(fgtwtkajlwxrvorwa1s05hvt))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-28-425o.pdf
 
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DrTodd

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Hah! I knew it. I've seen multiple people carry there in the past, I'm going to start warning people. Would hate to see some guy get arrested and charged for running to Meijers to get something for his kids.


I hope you are kidding?? A CPL holder can conceal carry at Meijer... you saw that, right??
 
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Hah! I knew it. I've seen multiple people carry there in the past, I'm going to start warning people. Would hate to see some guy get arrested and charged for running to Meijers to get something for his kids.

Whoa, Mike! Slow down! Stop! Back up! Re-read the BOLDED part of the message above.

It is talking about a Bar or Tavern that makes the majority of its income selling liquor by the glass.. To Be Consumed on the premises.
Meijers does NOT allow you to Drink the stuff you buy there!! (Until you get it home , or at least to your car :p )
Therefore, CCing at a Meijers WITH a CPL is perfectly legal! OCing there with a CPL is also legal.
 
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Whoa, Mike! Slow down! Stop! Back up! Re-read the BOLDED part of the message above.

It is talking about a Bar or Tavern that makes the majority of its income selling liquor by the glass.. To Be Consumed on the premises.
Meijers does NOT allow you to Drink the stuff you buy there!! (Until you get it home , or at least to your car :p )
Therefore, CCing at a Meijers WITH a CPL is perfectly legal! OCing there with a CPL is also legal.

I THINK he knows that now... whew!
 

MikeTheGreek

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Whoa, Mike! Slow down! Stop! Back up! Re-read the BOLDED part of the message above.

It is talking about a Bar or Tavern that makes the majority of its income selling liquor by the glass.. To Be Consumed on the premises.
Meijers does NOT allow you to Drink the stuff you buy there!! (Until you get it home , or at least to your car :p )
Therefore, CCing at a Meijers WITH a CPL is perfectly legal! OCing there with a CPL is also legal.

Haha, I just read that and corrected myself, I won't warn anyone, because they'll just look at me like I'm a nutcase 0.o
 

MikeTheGreek

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Edit to add: A Bar or Tavern where sale and consumption of liquor by the glass is the primary source of income.

I understand now. You can CC in places that sell alcohol, but bars you have to OC. But I also know that in bars, if they let you OC, you can not drink.

I think I have this down now :p Jeeze...the law is complicated. Too much stuff to remember.
 

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Also don't confuse the text of MCL 750.234d (non-CPL OC) with the text of MCL 28.425o (places off limit for CC).
 

MikeTheGreek

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Go read every post in this thread and carefully review the referenced/attached material:

http://www.forums.miopencarry.org/index.php?topic=25


I'm very very serious about it, go read it. We've had at least one noteworthy person in the open carry community who has lost some rights because they didn't fully understand the law before they carried.

Bookmarking it and reading it all night tonight. Thank you.

Sorry, I don't want to seem like the dumb kid around here :p
 

MikeTheGreek

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We're just trying to preserve your privileges. We'd hate to see you get a felony that prevents you from owning guns at all.

I do really appreciate your help. I'm reading all of this information right now. Going to print it out and make sure I memorize as much as possible.
 

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Edit to add: A Bar or Tavern where sale and consumption of liquor by the glass is the primary source of income.

Hey Doc.. It just hit me. Wouldn't the stating of "liquor by the glass" make it even harder for a bar or tavern to hit that "primary source" since it excludes beer and wine?? I would say the majority of drinks would be more apt to be in the beer or wine group as the primary source. What do you think? In your Oh So Humble (IANAL) opinion?? :D

liq·uor   /ˈlɪkər or, for 3, ˈlɪkwɔr/ Show Spelled[lik-er or, for 3, lik-wawr] Show IPA
noun
1. a distilled or spirituous beverage, as brandy or whiskey, as distinguished from a fermented beverage, as wine or beer.

Just wondering.
 
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