Except for where the article says;
The Post-Dispatch goes on to report that Target and Dierbergs also welcome concealed carry.
"We decided the Legislature had given our customers the right to carry, and we were going to honor that," said Steve Radcliff, Dierbergs' director of risk management.
I agree with it.
Legislature never gives anything, we always start out with ultimate freedom to do anything, then laws start removing freedoms, but they never grant a freedom.
Yea that is annoying. The legislature "gave" me a right? Shheeeeeeyyyiitttt.
Your rudeness will not win anyone over to OC.I had an interesting encounter with Schnucks a bit ago. I went in, passed right by the sign on the front door that says no firearms allowed. Did my shopping and went to cash out. ( I usually never shopped at schnucks simply because of the sign but i was in a hurry cuz i just finished a late shift and was tired and all other stores were miles out of my way.) Then when in line, i heard the lady in front of me say the word "robbery" to the cashier and they ended theiir conversation and the customer left.
As the cashier began to cash me out i tried to make small talk and asked about what the previous customer had said and was curious if the Schnucks had been recently robbed. The cashier said no but she said " We are getting a US bank in our store and the customer was curious if that would make our store more likely to be robbed"
I laughed alittle and simply but politely said "Well, I dont think the bank will make it more likely but the no firearms sign out front sure does." She looked puzzled and yet almost offended. She said "Well we dont allow firearms in here. We make anyone who carries leave." I giggled again and said "yeah, and i bet you lost their business. The ones who carry in the store and just shop are not the ones you should fear. Its the ones who you DONT know are armed and just rob you regardless of the sign." She then looked pissed. "well this is private property and we can do as we please." she said being snotty. I said "well this is America, and Americans have a tradition of carrying firearms, its a right that was declared from its inception. And this "private store" is on American soil.
She said "So you would just allow anyone into your home with a gun?" I said "well no, not just anyone, but my home isnt a business and isnt open to the public. IF it was, yes i would. Maybe this store is better suited in china, or the UK perhaps. Where the crime rate is nearly doubled." By then i was all ready to go and wished her a good night and left.
My take on the situation was that ignorance sometimes doesnt like to be brought back to reality. They prefer their false sense of security. :lol:
Concealed carry has never been a right per se, it was long ago determined that concealed carry was/is regulated since one hide their weapon (GOD DXXmit I am going to get ShXt for saying that from Doc) and open carry is SUPPOSED to be the right to bear arms with special permission and proving one is not a criminal in order to hide it (bangs head on desk Doc is gonna abuse me for this) so never confuse the RIGHT to carry it with the privilege to hide it.
BTW I think it is ok you have to PAY for the license to hide it, I think it is ok you have to be open to the government getting in your business to hide it, but only if the government stays the hell out of your business if you choose NOT TO HIDE IT.
Go a head Doc, have at it
This is one of the things I do not like about some of you on this forum, putting people down who CC. There are those of us who have no choice due to our jobs. Due to the nature of my work, it's CC or no carry(no protection) at all. I choose to carry CC instead of being defenseless. I OC when I can. I wish you could realize how off putting your snobby attitude is.
Your rudeness will not win anyone over to OC.
This is one of the things I do not like about some of you on this forum, putting people down who CC. There are those of us who have no choice due to our jobs. Due to the nature of my work, it's CC or no carry(no protection) at all. I choose to carry CC instead of being defenseless. I OC when I can. I wish you could realize how off putting your snobby attitude is.
Go a head Doc, have at it
Concealed carry has never been a right per se, it was long ago determined that concealed carry was/is regulated since one hide their weapon (GOD DXXmit I am going to get ShXt for saying that from Doc) and open carry is SUPPOSED to be the right to bear arms with special permission and proving one is not a criminal in order to hide it (bangs head on desk Doc is gonna abuse me for this) so never confuse the RIGHT to carry it with the privilege to hide it.
BTW I think it is ok you have to PAY for the license to hide it, I think it is ok you have to be open to the government getting in your business to hide it, but only if the government stays the hell out of your business if you choose NOT TO HIDE IT.
Go a head Doc, have at it
This is one of the things I do not like about some of you on this forum, putting people down who CC. There are those of us who have no choice due to our jobs. Due to the nature of my work, it's CC or no carry(no protection) at all. I choose to carry CC instead of being defenseless. I OC when I can. I wish you could realize how off putting your snobby attitude is.
This is one of the things I do not like about some of you on this forum, putting people down who CC. There are those of us who have no choice due to our jobs. Due to the nature of my work, it's CC or no carry(no protection) at all. I choose to carry CC instead of being defenseless. I OC when I can. I wish you could realize how off putting your snobby attitude is.
Oooooooh! I smell irony!
Well, there's an invitation you might regret.
Hey Ruby,
Normally I would not bother to explain this and would just give you a much better example of rude behavior but because you have not been around or missed it, your remarks are indeed misguided.
My comments using the word "hide" and referencing Doc eating my lunch for saying it that way is specificly because I am a HUGE supporter of CCW and have told my friend Doc I thought it was rude when he used the word "hide" himself. After more than a few discussions about it and learning a little bit more about who Doc is, I understood that he was not saying "hide" in a rude manner, he is just not prone to be warm and fuzzy and sometimes uses words with a bite to draw attention to his point.
Conceal does in deed mean hide. It is often used in a manner associated with deception as one is not proud of behavior, however, it does not have to be negative. Hiding your valuables so they are not stolen is an effective method to prevent them from being stolen in a robbery, hiding your gun simply because it is private to you is more than enough reason and being private is not bad behavior in fact it is something to be proud of in my opinion.
Saying you choose to conceal or saying you choose to hide by literal definition is saying the same thing, one is just warm and fuzzy, it does not make the other automatically include rude intentions. I too still do not like the word "hide" as you don't which is why I said Doc would give me trouble for using it since I sorta gave him trouble about it like you did me.
Peace and hope this cleared it up cause if you think this response was rude, well lets just suggest you look around a lot more for far better examples of rude behavior from myself, they do exist, but I love free speech and rude speech is still speech and I tend not to curb my words much in contrast to driving my point, or as some might say, relentlessly drill my point over and over and over.
Where is the rudeness???
What are you talking about? :banghead: Did you even read the story? I was not rude. I made a suggestion about taking down the "no firearms" sign as it may deter criminals to prey on defenseless citizens and workers in a POLITE manner. It was when SHE (the worker) began to become rude is when I cut the politeness and got down to brass tax and explained that she feared legal law abiding citizens more than the criminals themselves.
II still disagree with. You say CC is a priviledge, not a right. I don't find that statement anywhere in the 2A. It simply says that we have the right to "keep and bear arms", it doesn't say how. And I don't agree with being charged a fee for the "priviledge" of being able to conceal my gun; the state simply saw a way to make some money is all.
The rudeness is in the fact that you didn't respect private property. I would not have returned her rudenss with my own, I simply would have left. She obviously wasn't the person who is the policy maker and had no control over the policy itself. If you really wanted to make a difference you should have asked to talk with the manager.
I have a tendency to get proactive when provoked. I'll give you that and she did exactly that. I feel its important to educate everyone. Not just the ones in charge. I wasnt trying to change the store policy with a single cashier, i was just making conversation. Doesnt matter anyway, Schnucks removed their weapons ban recently so its all good now. :banana: