Not likely. Remember in his email reply back to me? He doesn't read forums.How appropriate - I hope Gene German sees this and does some soul searching.
Also, his soul searching will be when Hell freezes over.
Not likely. Remember in his email reply back to me? He doesn't read forums.How appropriate - I hope Gene German sees this and does some soul searching.
If we do not make noise, a lot of noise, concerning the utter stupidity of a permitted system, the incredible cost etc. we will get what they give us, not what we demand.
As for German, We really need to put up a response to his complete BS. Hopefully it gets printed somewhere besides here.
Just MHO
If all you do is demand, you will not get what you are going for. Noise without communication is wasted. Make no mistake about it, every post which appears on this forum is being looked at by Madison. As a result of the "Noise" which has already been made, OCDI WI has drawn an incredible amount of attention to itself. All of the rudeness is being used by those who oppose Open Carry as an example of the type of individuals who wish to Open Carry.If we do not make noise, a lot of noise, concerning the utter stupidity of a permitted system, the incredible cost etc. we will get what they give us, not what we demand.
As for German, We really need to put up a response to his complete BS. Hopefully it gets printed somewhere besides here.
Just MHO
Waiting does you no good if you are going to leave the State tomorrow on a trip. The only reason people should wish to Open Carry is to defend yourself, and not simply as some kind of statement. Anyone who feels that carrying a firearm is important to self defense should be doing so wherever you travel whether that be inside or outside of WI. All it takes to get a FL permit is a Hunters' Safety Certificate or to be a Veteran. The excuse of huge training costs for a permit does not hold water.Been talking to a couple people that I know over in MN, mostly ones that offer CCW classes. There is a big push for some reason for people in Wisconsin to get MN licenses. I have had mine for a while and it came up for renewal, so I called the usual suspects to see who could get me in for a class. Turns out with all the talk of Wisconsin adopting a license like MN, people are thinking that when this goes through they will be able to transfer their licenses over to WI. They don't seem to realize that MN has very little reciprocity with anyone if at all. You are better off waiting till Wisconsin decides what they are going to do.
If all you do is demand, you will not get what you are going for. Noise without communication is wasted. Make no mistake about it, every post which appears on this forum is being looked at by Madison. As a result of the "Noise" which has already been made, OCDI WI has drawn an incredible amount of attention to itself. All of the rudeness is being used by those who oppose Open Carry as an example of the type of individuals who wish to Open Carry.
Sending a rude or even threatening E-mail to Gene German is not going to accomplish anything except to make people look rude and a threat.
If Open Carriers in WI are portrayed as hot heads, Madison is not going to be open to unpermitted Open Carry when a bill is being drafted.
Signing a petition without reasonable rational discussion with those who have direct influence is wasted effort and is simply feel good fluff...
I tend to have that way with people (getting them to agree with me).
I figure if you carry a gun, you are willing to use it. If you can not afford training, then you probably can not afford the total cost to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger either.
The only reason people should wish to Open Carry is to defend yourself, and not simply as some kind of statement.
It is when peacocks hurt our cause.It's really none of your business why people do what they do. .
When that guy has credibility and a relationship with those who vote on WI proposed bills which may become law.Okay, I'm still new here. How does a guy from a different state have any influence on WI law?
He may label the members here however he chooses. It doesn't change the fact that we are organized, vote, and write letters. .
It is when peacocks hurt our cause.
When that guy has credibility and a relationship with those who vote on WI proposed bills which may become law.
When a group is greatly outnumbered by other voters and those in the legislature pay more attention to what is said and done in public and the perception of that group by the general voting public than a few letters, that group should be using alot of tact.
Ridiculous.
How exactly are one's motivations for the sidearm on his belt discernible by anyone at a glance?
I don't understand any of this either. I thought CC was going to pass because we have the votes. I thought the general consensus here was Constitutional carry. Not to mention preaching tact in politics is absurd.
Don't like my words, tough, suck it up and get proactive in the movement.
I do not believe that there is a general consensus in the legislature, even on the Republican side for unregulated unpermitted carry. The consensus on this internet message board is not representative of the Republicans in Madison.
One may not be able to discern intentions merely by observing a person walking down the street carrying their holstered firearm openly on their hip but many will infer state of mind and how rational someone or a unified group is if they act like a peacock demanding attention and ranting and raving concerned only with the sound of their own voice and not to what events are occuring around them. Politics is strategy and negotiations, not a bullhorn and a baseball bat.
I take the issue of carry very serious. I believe it to be a matter of life and death. It is necessary in order to defend against those who wish to do us and our Loved ones harm. There is alot of unconstructive noise and peacock strutting going on. The old addage regarding picking your battles is relevant. When an individual or group treats every interaction like a battle, it becomes pretty easy to be pigeon holed as simply irrational trouble makers.
When did we abandon the premise that this is a battle for the hearts and minds of the general public in order to change the general attitudes in WI regarding the carry of firearms? Once you begin to dismiss the importance and relevance of perception, credibility goes downhill fast.
Say what? You totally lost me.
You believe carrying is a matter of life and death. Others might believe it is simply a matter of inalienable rights. Still others may carry for both those reasons or neither. it's no one's business why they do it. As long as they are responsible. Nothing you say will change that. Just because others do not subscribe to your thinking does not make them strutting peacocks.
And if Constitutional Carry is not a done deal I most certainly am going to distance myself from supporters of a permit system. I think the response portias received is " unconstructive noise and peacock strutting ". My job is not to kowtow to others who don't share my vision of the laws I wish to live under. My job is to get the laws I want passed. Not sure how calling and writing reps is unconstructive noise.
I thought CC was already passed twice in Wisco? Now there is a Republican majority. So aren't the hearts and minds of the public already won?
And if Constitutional Carry is not a done deal I most certainly am going to distance myself from supporters of a permit system. ....I thought CC was already passed twice in Wisco? Now there is a Republican majority. So aren't the hearts and minds of the public already won?