lancers, the Coffee Crawl discussion was pretty much fallout from your initial report. So, strictly speaking, you are correct. But, you are somewhat tied to it.
I like how the lazy reporter says that it's legal to OC in MO with a permit. I'd be curious to know which permit I need, I don't seem to have one.
The aldermen seem to have forgotten how they get reelected. Not having public debate on curtailment of your rights seems politically expedient, but a poor way to represent your constituents.
I wonder what the City Manager saw as the perceived threat? The post simply said it was to educate the public. That doesn't sound very threatening.
Finally, I wonder how the media gets such quick access to things like this? The jailhouse tapes looked to be released almost immediately. These emails were less than 2 weeks old when Patch got ahold of them. Either they're really good at handling Sunshine Law requests, or they're trying to shape public opinion.
lancers, the Coffee Crawl discussion was pretty much fallout from your initial report. So, strictly speaking, you are correct. But, you are somewhat tied to it.
I do not respond to lancers posts, I know he will be reading this. He has been banned from Missouri Carry (MSSA) AND I agree he has done more to hurt OC in Missouri than anyone can imagine. He will not be welcome
at OC get togethers as far as I'm concerned.... I don't know how others feel, but I'd leave if he shows up.
I do not respond to lancers posts, I know he will be reading this. He has been banned from Missouri Carry (MSSA) AND I agree he has done more to hurt OC in Missouri than anyone can imagine. He will not be welcome
at OC get togethers as far as I'm concerned.... I don't know how others feel, but I'd leave if he shows up.
msp i'd say that's a lil harsh....especially since to an extent he's no more "baited" police than anyone else involved with going to each police station / city hall and or starbucks and taken pictures has. that's like calling someone out for driving thru north city and then having something happen to them. but for you to say he's outright not welcome at oc gatherings...who are you to speak for everyone and make that call....kind presumptuous eh? if you would prefer to leave if he were around that's your business...but to try to force that opinion on everyone else in a public forum is well...just kinda low...and really gives all the anti's what they want and that is to divide 2A people in any way they can. but....c'est la vie eh?
just sayin.
Mspgunner's statement reflects one I had made to him and others in person. Mr Darrows would not be a welcomed guest to any gathering that I organize. It is my opinion that he is not a very good representative of Open Carry and I do not particularly care to be associated with him mainly for the following 3 reasons.
1) Even before his very brief entrance into doing any OC he carried a reputation that is a bit controversial.
2) His reckless comments made to impress a random cellmate regarding intentions of OCing and implying he has any inclination to take aggression toward the arresting officers.
3) His continuing desire to transplant all blame on to others. He owns up to none of his own misgivings and I personally think this speaks volumes of his character.
Doc
You have it right. I've seen how you interact with LEOs in a calm and positive way, with respect and a civil attitude. Even in the face of different opinion with the LEOs the way you conduct your self is very positive. This defuses any uncomfortable feeling with them and they leave with education and understanding, not with you in cuffs and detention. It's a choice an OCer has to make. Get in their face or talk in a civil and poli6te manner... The reults are generally up to us.
Too bad I didn't have a chance. After I was pulled out of line, disarmed in front of everyone at the checkout, I was dragged to the security room and arrested! The only things I said prior to arrest was, "no" in response to the officer asking if I was a cop and, "Did I do something wrong?" Yeah, after arrest I got a little hot, but you get dragged out of a store and taken to jail when you have done absolutely nothing wrong and you might think a little different.
Have you or Doc had this happen?
OC for me,
You say.... "What other gig could you get where all you have to do is walk/drive around your entire shift, get paid to do it, be bored outta your mind and get the occasional free coffee and doughnut. Change a tire in the rain, go to a elementary school and talk about obeying the law to little kids who think breaking the law is getting grounded and "could you go and arrest my mommy for grounding me?", go to stupid and redundant OJT on sensitivity related issues during your off hours and otherwise wish for the weekend just like every other working stiff."
You may want to reconsider this comment. Yes....an LEO's daily routine may be mundane "most" days...it's that day when they choose to put their life on the line for you and me that we must always remember.
Just yesterday we had an incident about 2 minutes from my house where a LEO stopped a vehicle that resembled one that was used in a robbery. The LEO stepped out of his car, the suspect stepped out of his and IMMEDIATELY opened fire on the LEO.
The suspect died at the scene. I could very well imagine that LEO's day may have been just as mundane as you painted it in your comment ...and yep...had a pretty good gig going on...right up until someone tried to kill him.
I feel your comment was extremely shortsighted and thoughtless.
None of that matters around here. LEO are your enemy dontcha know? They just eat donuts and harass OC'ers for no reason. That's their job.
Please don't bring common sense into this thread. :lol: