I thought you were going to ignore me. Please do…Your obsessive focus on titles, instead of actions, is why you are so pissed off now, re: The Open Carry bill.
I thought you were going to ignore me. Please do…Your obsessive focus on titles, instead of actions, is why you are so pissed off now, re: The Open Carry bill.
I thought you were going to ignore me. Please do…
And stog-the issue isnt with u guys- apart from a concern that the effort is being watered-down in the face of bullies. Why cave? Why simply accept being swatted down like uppity puppies? And yes, bending your original principles and deviating from your original path in the face of resistence,instead of confronting it, and working to remove that resistance, is disturbing.
Not that you caved-yet. But, it's troubling-and Im far from the only one here feeling it-even though only one or two of us are actually speaking out and saying it- that immediately following a massive betrayal and defeat, we're being told "take it easy" etc, and then being told let's no focus on Open carry, etc.
If Im off the mark here, by all means show me. Look back over all these threads for the past several months about OPEN carry. Nothing in there about "lets get protected CC" or lets raise hell about getting rifles in other states. OPEN carry was THE primary focus, as I understood it, and most others did as well.
All we're saying is, if the past approaches didnt work out, and if our so-called "friends" in office are going to betray us at worst, or simply sit on the sidelines and watch others do so,at best, let's look to some alternative methods.
Preferrably methods that include the eventual replacement of those who've betrayed us.
And for that we're called "radical" and "abusive" and "rude" and "threatening" .
Ok THE issue. What's the title of this entire message board,again?
OPEN CARRY.
end of discussion.
Not "Ooops I might have a wardrobe malfunction and you might see my gun "
Not "Shucks I cant go to Georgia to buy a rifle I can get at Gander Mountain"
Or am I completely off-base here?
And stog-the issue isnt with u guys- apart from a concern that the effort is being watered-down in the face of bullies. Why cave? Why simply accept being swatted down like uppity puppies? And yes, bending your original principles and deviating from your original path in the face of resistence,instead of confronting it, and working to remove that resistance, is disturbing.
Not that you caved-yet. But, it's troubling-and Im far from the only one here feeling it-even though only one or two of us are actually speaking out and saying it- that immediately following a massive betrayal and defeat, we're being told "take it easy" etc, and then being told let's no focus on Open carry, etc.
If Im off the mark here, by all means show me. Look back over all these threads for the past several months about OPEN carry. Nothing in there about "lets get protected CC" or lets raise hell about getting rifles in other states. OPEN carry was THE primary focus, as I understood it, and most others did as well.
All we're saying is, if the past approaches didnt work out, and if our so-called "friends" in office are going to betray us at worst, or simply sit on the sidelines and watch others do so,at best, let's look to some alternative methods.
Preferrably methods that include the eventual replacement of those who've betrayed us.
And for that we're called "radical" and "abusive" and "rude" and "threatening" .
Nobody From Florida Carry has EVER said that we were supporting this bill after the Bogdanoff amendment was added. We fought that amendment in committee and on the floor up until literally the last seconds.
This is the FIRST time open carry has been to the legislature since 1987. We got all the way to the floor with it on the first try.
You don't just burn the bridge because you missed on the first attempt.
Now you blame the only people who have moved the open carry issue forward in Florida in 24 years?
Whatever makes you happy...
Do you honestly believe that 5-6 highly aggressive, uninformed folks from OCDO represent the feelings of the majority of Florida's population or even the tiniest fraction of a percent of the ~8 Million gun owners in Florida?
Genius, you have still yet to identify what/where/how any of us are "misinformed". I asked you days ago, since you are indeed the self-appointed gatekeeper of wisdom, here, to please enlighten us as to this lack of information we seem to have.
Until you can follow-through-crawl back under the bridge.
Genius, you have still yet to identify what/where/how any of us are "misinformed". I asked you days ago, since you are indeed the self-appointed gatekeeper of wisdom, here, to please enlighten us as to this lack of information we seem to have.
Until you can follow-through-crawl back under the bridge.
Further- take a peek at how many folks are viewing these threads vs. how many are particpating. Just because 5 or 6 people have the nads to speak up,hardly makes them the only ones thinking/feeling the same way.
Someone want to create and take a poll on the issue? Be my guest.
Good attempt. But utter failure.
Here's why:
All we need to know and appreciate is this:
1) We were presented a bill-one in name and in character who's goal it was to achieve Open Carry (+ a few,far less significant bits) in the State of Florida.
2) Said bill was promoted with this very item in mind.
3) Many people-including you and me, jumped into the fray in support of said bill.
4)Bill went where it was supposed to,despite some zig-zags along it's way,where it was ultimately bent over the podium and violated into something we were never told it was supposed to be. (until afterwards).
5) The voting public of the State (aka the employers of our Senate and House) were betrayed by this action-regardless of the how or why that said betrayal took place.
I dont give a rat's ass if it's because she was somewhere pressured to oppose it, or if she simply woke up with an extra stick wedged into her backside. The end result is the same.
Considered a run for office? The attempted word-play, and hair-splitting could land u a seat right next to the enemy. (not that some dont already consider u a likely plant/troll from their side,anyway) :banghead: :banghead:
At what point did I mention which side of the issue any of the viewers come down on?
I suggested take a poll, find out.
Ego that, troll.
A reasonable inference based on context.At what point did I mention which side of the issue any of the viewers come down on?