It is also a crime for a felon to possess a firearm.
If a LEO sees "someone" (say at a Culvers in Madison) with a firearem does the LEO have RAS to demand ID from the possible perp so as to establish that he is not committing a crime (afterall there are a lot of felons wandering around Madison)?
When I say 'you', I don't mean YOU.
No, not unless the officer has RAS that you may be a felon, then they can demand ID. For instance, if the officer remembers that you sere arrested years ago for a felony offense, then that is RAS, then the officer detain and demand ID. If he knows you are a convicted felon, or with RAS runs your ID and determines you are a felon, then it is PC.
An officer cannot demand ID to determine if you are a felon just because you are OCing. The officer does have to have RAS. But remember, it is not you that they have to articulate reasonable suspicion to. Also, several elements of RAS combined can constitute PC.
Why would said LEO be allowed to assume that a person in the GFSZ is committing a crime and thus have sufficient RAS to demand to see the individual's permit in order to establish that he is not committing a crime? (Yes, as the OP had said, all of this after Nov. 1 and sufficient time for WI residents to recieve licenses, etc.)
If you are OCing in a school zone, and an officer sees it or anyone sees it and reports it, then that is RAS. One, you are in a GFSZ. Two, you have a gun that is visible. That is RAS. If you do not produce upon request a valid CWL and Photo ID, then there is PC and you will be arrested.
You must provide a Liscene and Photo ID upon request if you Open Carry in a GFSZ, public building, state park, or any place that has class "B" liqouor license BECAUSE a CWL and Photo ID are required to be able to do so.
I'm sorry, but I do not yet see the difference in the two situations. The LEO cannot just feel that a crime might be taking place. He truly needs RAS in both situations.
If you still don't see the difference, I suggest you do a little research into Reasonable Suspicion.