I was wondering if people were still having these problems with Alb. County? I'm applying tomorrow with my online certificate. thanks
Long time fixey. You should not have a problem.
I was wondering if people were still having these problems with Alb. County? I'm applying tomorrow with my online certificate. thanks
From the long list of acceptable demonstrations of competence we find this:I was wondering if people were still having these problems with Alb. County? I'm applying tomorrow with my online certificate. thanks
From the long list of acceptable demonstrations of competence we find this:
7. Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;
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As an NRA certified instructor, I recently received written instructions from the NRA telling me that I'm prohibited from using their name or certification credentials in connection with an online course. New policy. So there's no such thing (as a purely legal matter) as an online course taught by an NRA certified instructor, because the NRA does not certify instructors to present online courses. Moreover, the unauthorized use of NRA's identity in connection with such a course could get one sued in a really big way by the NRA, should they choose to push it. They did indicate that they will cancel the credentials immediately if they hear of anyone violating their policy.
As an NRA certified instructor, I recently received written instructions from the NRA telling me that I'm prohibited from using their name or certification credentials in connection with an online course. New policy. So there's no such thing (as a purely legal matter) as an online course taught by an NRA certified instructor, because the NRA does not certify instructors to present online courses. Moreover, the unauthorized use of NRA's identity in connection with such a course could get one sued in a really big way by the NRA, should they choose to push it. They did indicate that they will cancel the credentials immediately if they hear of anyone violating their policy.
There are significant etymological differences in providing viable on-line educational material verse material presented using traditional methodologies. Research has shown, there must be substantial oversight to assure material is properly vetted prior to being presented by someone just slapping up NRA’s power point slides on the internet as a YouTube presentation.
I think organizationally, the NRA is correct to remind their instructors of the course parameters they agreed to in teaching their firearm courses; thus keeping their instructors from lowering NRA course’s integrity (loss of reputation) by individual’s putting material out on the internet. I find it incredible any individual who teaches firearm knowledge would presume a student has the appropriate level of firearm safety, handling, etc., knowledge prior to heading out to the range to complete the live fire portion.
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ndaknow on VAGT said:Because of Virginia Code §18.2-308 (G) (7) Instructors are allowed to define course content.
Because of this loophole, a sham class is as legitimate as an National Rifle Association of America (NRA) class.
The courts must accept any piece of paper which states the instructor’s NRA identification number as a valid diploma.
It was only a matter of time until the above loophole was exploited and online vending machines were setup to dispense diplomas that had to be accepted by the court for the purpose of obtaining a Virginia permit to carry a concealed handgun.
On November 7, 2011 the NRA announced a change in training policy. In it, NRA instructors are no longer permitted to use the association’s name or state their NRA identification number. The text of the announcement is below.
Online diploma mills are nothing more than money making machines.
Do you think the NRA’s new policy will put the online diploma mills out of business?
ANNOUCEMENT BY NRA –
Dear NRA Instructors and Training Counselors:
Due to NRA's long history of facilitating quality firearm training, the public expects a high standard for training programs bearing the NRA name. Maintaining the high quality of the training programs is of the upmost importance.
The National Rifle Association of America currently has no online firearm training courses. All of our firearm training courses (Home Firearm Safety excluded) have a shooting component on a range. Some NRA certified instructors have created online firearm training programs, and have issued certificates to individuals that take their courses, using the title NRA Certified Instructor. Under no circumstances may NRA's name or your NRA credentials be associated with any online firearms training course. If NRA's name or your NRA credentials are associated with a course, you must, among other things, actually work with the students, face-to-face, to allow you to evaluate whether they perform the safe operation of a firearm, and shoot with a sufficient level of skill. This policy applies to any course which might result in issuing any certificate that bears the title of NRA Certified Instructor, or if the course is associated in any way whatsoever with a certification issued by the NRA.
While NRA allows NRA Certified Instructors to use their titles in association with courses that are not NRA courses, as long as they make a very clear disclaimer that such courses are not NRA approved, the use of a disclaimer is not sufficient to allow you to use NRA's name or your NRA credentials in connection with an online course. In other words, your NRA credentials and the NRA's name, trademarks, titles identification numbers, etc. may not be associated with any online firearm training course, regardless of whether there is a statement that it is not an NRA course.
We have even found online courses with titles such as: "NRA CCW Course,"NRA Home Defense," and so on, that are not NRA sanctioned courses. NRA Instructors are not authorized to create a title of a course which includes "NRA," "National Rifle Association," or any other wording that makes a non-NRA course appear to be an NRA course.
Violation of these policies may result in revocation of your NRA credentials. If you have any questions concerning this policy, please contact the NRA Training Department.
Yours Truly,
Charles H. Mitchell
Manager, NRA Training Department.
As an NRA certified instructor, I recently received written instructions from the NRA telling me that I'm prohibited from using their name or certification credentials in connection with an online course. New policy. So there's no such thing (as a purely legal matter) as an online course taught by an NRA certified instructor, because the NRA does not certify instructors to present online courses. Moreover, the unauthorized use of NRA's identity in connection with such a course could get one sued in a really big way by the NRA, should they choose to push it. They did indicate that they will cancel the credentials immediately if they hear of anyone violating their policy.
This needs to be questioned - am pretty sure the NRA supported changing Virginia law to allow for online training.
Here's my problem with this.As an NRA certified instructor, I recently received written instructions from the NRA telling me that I'm prohibited from using their name or certification credentials in connection with an online course. New policy. So there's no such thing (as a purely legal matter) as an online course taught by an NRA certified instructor, because the NRA does not certify instructors to present online courses. Moreover, the unauthorized use of NRA's identity in connection with such a course could get one sued in a really big way by the NRA, should they choose to push it. They did indicate that they will cancel the credentials immediately if they hear of anyone violating their policy.
An NRA apologist doubted the validity of the e-mail quoted above. If questioned,
http://www.nrablog.com/post/2011/11/08/NRA-Certified-Instructor-Policy-Update.aspx
An NRA apologist doubted the validity of the e-mail quoted above. If questioned,
http://www.nrablog.com/post/2011/11/08/NRA-Certified-Instructor-Policy-Update.aspx
Here's my problem with this.
The code states this:
"7. Completing any firearms training or safety course or class, including an electronic, video, or on-line course, conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor;"
The status of being a "NRA-certified firearms instructor" is a Boolean fact. You either are one, or you are not one. If a person who is a "NRA-certified firearms instructor" writes an on-line training course designed to demonstrate competence for a CHP, I don't think the NRA should have the authority to deny their ability to do this. The law is written to require a credential, not the approval of the agency which provides that credential.
How is this different for any other thing that requires a credential? What if I go to a very conservative religious school and get a diploma or a degree, and then decide to go into a line of work that they do not approve? Are they allowed to tell me that I cannot claim that I have their diploma or degree? I think not.
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