thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
Hmmm...I wonder which Democrat found the rules "violation"....
You are combining two different events. The Senate's Courts of Justice full committee meeting on Wednesday was nullified because two of the Senators who voted by proxy had actually left the immediate vicinity of the Capital grounds, which is a technical violation of the rules. I believe the proxy system is designed to cover for Senators and Delegates who are otherwise occupied in different meetings, but still on location at the Capital or GAB. When they realized that those two in question had left, but had still been voting "by proxy", they decided to rehear the bills. Consistent with the double standard we see today, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the minority party found out about this trivial event, they would have raised a huge stink about it. After all, rules are for Republicans, or so it would seem.Now I understand your question.
The entire 6 hour marathon session of this sub-committee on this past Wednesday evening was found to be in violation of the rules - don't ask me which one 'cause I don't know yet.
Bottom line is that all of the bills heard that night will be reheard again and new votes caste.
http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=4410625&FILTER=
You are combining two different events. The Senate's Courts of Justice full committee meeting on Wednesday was nullified because two of the Senators who voted by proxy had actually left the immediate vicinity of the Capital grounds, which is a technical violation of the rules. I believe the proxy system is designed to cover for Senators and Delegates who are otherwise occupied in different meetings, but still on location at the Capital or GAB. When they realized that those two in question had left, but had still been voting "by proxy", they decided to rehear the bills. Consistent with the double standard we see today, I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the minority party found out about this trivial event, they would have raised a huge stink about it. After all, rules are for Republicans, or so it would seem.
On the other hand, the Library bill was heard and died in the House of Delegates MPPS Subcommittee #1 on Thursday afternoon, then it magically reappeared on the list of bills still to be considered by the subcommittee. There did not seem to be any anomaly with the handling of the bill the first time around, and at least one other bill was also not acted upon, and is not listed to be heard again. I suspect it is a simple clerical error.
TFred
No one really knows Felix.
She brings this bill up every year and it gets shot down every year and it's always been a mystery why she is so passionate about it.
There have been no incidents that anyone has been able to find and she has never explained it.
Public libraries are warm in the winter, and they are cool in the summer. Not surprisingly, this attracts those unfortunate people who cannot otherwise find a warm or cool place to be.
My observation is that most are homeless and harmless. However, life on the streets can make some people angry and resentful and, perhaps, dangerous. You never know ... until their gun comes out to play.
Should that happen, I hope to be able to save myself and others from being hapless and helpless victims.
The downtown Norfolk public library is closed for renovations. Local history and genealogical services have been relocated to the Pretlow Library in Ocean View. So, I visited recently. I made a point to stop and read the posted "Dos and Don'ts". The last entry under prohibited activities is ".. the unlawful possession of weapons". What a waste of ink! It does not apply to "lawful" carriers, and will surely be ignored by "unlawful" carriers. No need to make a fuss, as the prohibition is completely benign in that it applies to no one.
No biggie, there is so much going on, we all need each other's help to keep it straight. Especially with the sometimes poor job that the news media does in reporting. One of our local newspaper reporters declared a bill that has generated some local interest to be "dead" because it died in a House committee, completely ignoring the fact that its identical counterpart is still alive and on track on the Senate side. Maybe they assume it will die after crossover, but who can really say for sure?Sorry 'bout that - many different meetings with a lot of bills and I didn't check my notes.
BTW - here is the docket for the Monday Senate Committee on Courts of Justice - it is HUGE and begins at 8:00 A.M.!
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?121+doc+S0310130
I agree with you 100% on this, and that library needs to be corrected. 15.2-915 does not say that a locality may regulate guns "as long as they don't surpass or disagree with state law". It says they may not regulate guns at all, unless specifically allowed to do so by state law. And this case is not one of those allowed by state law.I don't see it as "benign" at all.
It contributes and furthers the anti message that guns are bad + gives the impression to the uneducated that no one is allowed to possess them in the library.
This is the very type of misleading sign/information that we are working so hard to rectify.
I would point out the wording of § 15.2-915.
A. No locality shall adopt or enforce any ordinance, resolution or motion, as permitted by § 15.2-1425, and no agent of such locality shall take any administrative action, governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof other than those expressly authorized by statute. For purposes of this section, a statute that does not refer to firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof, shall not be construed to provide express authorization.
Since they are just correcting for a technicality, maybe they will lump all the bills that were heard into a couple of "consent" type groups and vote on them all together the same way they did the other day.Well, I'll be there at 7:00.
That presents some problems. They may be able to sail through the bills from last week. Maybe not though. The session looks like it could go 12 hours and my equipment isn't designed for more than 6 without changing cards and batteries. Fortunately I have spares of everything so there shouldn't be any lost moments as long as I watch everything. I take my audio feeds directly from their sound system so I'll need to plug in both H4N's to keep the other news people from filling the plugs.
I'll just have to keep rotating cameras.
I have to take lunch because I can't eat anything they have.
I don't think I have any other pressing bills for Monday but I can duck out for an hour or two if need be.
Since they are just correcting for a technicality, maybe they will lump all the bills that were heard into a couple of "consent" type groups and vote on them all together the same way they did the other day.
TFred
I agree with you 100% on this, and that library needs to be corrected. 15.2-915 does not say that a locality may regulate guns "as long as they don't surpass or disagree with state law". It says they may not regulate guns at all, unless specifically allowed to do so by state law. And this case is not one of those allowed by state law.
That means that a library can't even put up a sign that says "You must have a CHP to carry a concealed handgun." It's true. That is state law. But a city owned library is specifically not authorized to post a sign about it, even if it is true and is merely restating the law.
This is why we need teeth in 15.2-915!
TFred
I would think "unlawful possession" covers it. It would include any weapon or prohibited person enumerated in relevant statutes (e.g. 18.2-301) and allow for any exceptions (lawful possession, e.g. CHP, OC, etc).".. the unlawful possession of weapons"
Here's the part that we may need to think through a little bit... 15.2-915 covers "firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof". Does "weapons" include that, sufficiently enough to violate the law? They may say that they don't mean "firearms". Of course, if that's what they mean, then they should make the sign say: "the unlawful possession of weapons, except firearms!"
Fat chance they'll ever do that!
TFred
".. the unlawful possession of weapons"
Here's the part that we may need to think through a little bit... 15.2-915 covers "firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof". Does "weapons" include that, sufficiently enough to violate the law? They may say that they don't mean "firearms". Of course, if that's what they mean, then they should make the sign say: "the unlawful possession of weapons, except firearms!"
Fat chance they'll ever do that!
TFred