CrackerJax
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[video=youtube_share;jfdEbe7e9GE]http://youtu.be/jfdEbe7e9GE[/video]
Ok I'm about to get flamed to hell and back..
I HATE these videos.. this does NOTHING to help our cause.. people running around baiting LEO's and preaching at them is a great way to make all of us look like lunatics..
I have NEVER in 10 years had a negative LEO encounter.. hell , i've never had one at all.. but i've had a lot of VERY positive 'people' encounters..
Flame me if you want..
--Rob
I'll step up... LOL! just kidding. I agree mostly with you. If you are intentionally baiting people into calling the police or like that one guy who would call the police just to video the interactions, that's just stupid on a monumental level. The only thing I will say is, if I'm stopped for no reason, I would have a little trouble completely acquiesce to all their demands. I would have no problem asking them why I'm being stopped and refusing to provide ID for a lawful act. However, I would not be belligerent like some of the videos are. I would so people. Kind and respectful and very level headed. I hope that makes sense. It's tough to really explain these complicated ideas on a forum.
Rob
one bad encounter with leo can trash a thousand good ones
Just like one bad encounter with An OC can trash a thousand good ones for us
BUT.. the majority of the videos i've seen on YT are NOT good for our cause.. they look like lunatics...
--Rob
I always tell people to just give the man your license and get on your way..
I seem to remember a certain outspoken member hear go off on such a statement, we'll see if he speaks up.
I'm not going to flame ya Rob. (at least not intentionally)
But I will disagree with you.
I think that many pollice officers, not all of them i grant, are trained so much that they must control every aspect of an encounter that they have absolutely no idea how to back down, even when it is the right thing to do and they know it. They will continue to push forward simply because they are not allowed to have even the appearance of hesitation.
Yes, if they get a call they have to respond. What is wrong with responding as you suggest, with a "hey, how are ya?" "Good, and you?" There is NO requirement that they detain, search, seize, demand id, or interrogate anyone.
There ARE legitamate reasons for packing a rifle on my back, even through town. Not all of them are simply to bait the leo.
I will comply, I will not cooperate.
Don't know the entire details of the stop on the video But"
I belive the OC handled it well and the leo was totally in the wrong ie . had no right to take the firearm or ask any questions after the OC stated he did not consent to either search or detention,, as was substantiated by the Seargent letting him go
I also would not consent without threat of force to a detention and seizure nor a demand for ID unless there is the "Reasonable Articulate Suspicion" of crime,, if you do you just gave up another Constitutional right besides 2a
Its a fine line and one to be tread delicatly but one that must be tread to defend OUR rights
CH