Haz.
Regular Member
Why I quote Bible Scritpures re, firearm ownersip and self defence to Christians.
It was suggested this morning in another thread on this board not to quote Scripture in my argument for armed self defence as this falls on deaf ears when athiests and others who believe in other god's read them. Thats a fair enough request. I have been asked this on several other boards also.
Last time I looked America and Australia were still regarded as Christian countries with a majority of Christian peoples who believe the Bible. I personally tried for ten long years of serious study to try and dissprove the Bible as being a book of man made fairy stories. In this quest I have failed miserably.
The reason I use Scriptures in promoting self defence and even the death penalty, both which are being constantly attacked by all and sundry, including many Christians is because God Himself ordained self defence and the death penalty.
Many so called Christians are calling for the abolition of the death penalty in countries where it is still law. They do so without knowing the very book they allegedly believe in and which was inspired by God Himself. They quote Scripture in their argument, four in fact and these are the four Scriptures which teach, "Thou shalt not kill." Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:21; Matthew 5:21; and Romans 13:9. Feel free to look them up!
What these Christians deliberately ignore if they in fact know this is that God made an EVERLASTING covenant with Noah after the flood which instructs mankind and governement that if someone ignores the commandment "Thou shalt not kill," then man has the right to defend himself and government has the command which states that the blood of anyone deliberatly killed shall be avenged by the shedding of the murderes blood.
When God instituted human government by law after Noah's flood, He gave Noah certain laws by which to govern the human race, and man was then held responsible for self-government (Gen. 9:1-7).
There are six very important laws which God gave Noah and his decendants. These Laws were:
(1) "Be fruitful and multply, and replenish the earth" (Gen. 9:1, 7).
(2) "Into thine hand are they [animals] delivered" (Gen. 9:2).
(3) "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have i given you all things" (Gen. 9:4).
(4) "The blood thereof shall ye not eat" (Gen. 9:4).
(5) "WHOSOEVER SHEDDETH MAN'S BLOOD, BY MAN SHALL HIS BLOOD BY SHED: for in the image of God made he him" (Gen. 9:5-6).
And last but not least;
(6) "I have established my covenant with you . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . FOR PERPETUAL GENERATIONS . . . the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the "EVERLASTING COVENANT" between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth" (Gen. 9:8-17).
These few laws have been the basis of all laws of God and man in every age since the flood of Noah.
It was at this time God constituted capital punishment, and God has never revoked this particular law, "Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, BY MAN shall HIS BLOOD BE SHED (Gen. 9:5-6)." This law will continue as an eternal law, and as is revealed in (Isiah 11:4-9; 65:20-25).
If one believes God, He created all men and if men decided to worship other god's then thats between them, their god, and the real; God Himself, not me? Gods laws and commandments were made for all men regardless of race, color or belief.
Now I am not preaching to athiests of which I once was, in fact I studied the Bible thoroughly for over ten years trying vainlessly to DISSPROVE IT AS A BOOK FULL OF man made FAIRY STORIES and I have failed miserably!
Remember the 2A was framed by the very men who staunchly believed in God and the Bible so Americans can and still do thank them for their efforts.
George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;
"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.
Cheers, Haz.
It was suggested this morning in another thread on this board not to quote Scripture in my argument for armed self defence as this falls on deaf ears when athiests and others who believe in other god's read them. Thats a fair enough request. I have been asked this on several other boards also.
Last time I looked America and Australia were still regarded as Christian countries with a majority of Christian peoples who believe the Bible. I personally tried for ten long years of serious study to try and dissprove the Bible as being a book of man made fairy stories. In this quest I have failed miserably.
The reason I use Scriptures in promoting self defence and even the death penalty, both which are being constantly attacked by all and sundry, including many Christians is because God Himself ordained self defence and the death penalty.
Many so called Christians are calling for the abolition of the death penalty in countries where it is still law. They do so without knowing the very book they allegedly believe in and which was inspired by God Himself. They quote Scripture in their argument, four in fact and these are the four Scriptures which teach, "Thou shalt not kill." Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:21; Matthew 5:21; and Romans 13:9. Feel free to look them up!
What these Christians deliberately ignore if they in fact know this is that God made an EVERLASTING covenant with Noah after the flood which instructs mankind and governement that if someone ignores the commandment "Thou shalt not kill," then man has the right to defend himself and government has the command which states that the blood of anyone deliberatly killed shall be avenged by the shedding of the murderes blood.
When God instituted human government by law after Noah's flood, He gave Noah certain laws by which to govern the human race, and man was then held responsible for self-government (Gen. 9:1-7).
There are six very important laws which God gave Noah and his decendants. These Laws were:
(1) "Be fruitful and multply, and replenish the earth" (Gen. 9:1, 7).
(2) "Into thine hand are they [animals] delivered" (Gen. 9:2).
(3) "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have i given you all things" (Gen. 9:4).
(4) "The blood thereof shall ye not eat" (Gen. 9:4).
(5) "WHOSOEVER SHEDDETH MAN'S BLOOD, BY MAN SHALL HIS BLOOD BY SHED: for in the image of God made he him" (Gen. 9:5-6).
And last but not least;
(6) "I have established my covenant with you . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . FOR PERPETUAL GENERATIONS . . . the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the "EVERLASTING COVENANT" between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth" (Gen. 9:8-17).
These few laws have been the basis of all laws of God and man in every age since the flood of Noah.
It was at this time God constituted capital punishment, and God has never revoked this particular law, "Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, BY MAN shall HIS BLOOD BE SHED (Gen. 9:5-6)." This law will continue as an eternal law, and as is revealed in (Isiah 11:4-9; 65:20-25).
If one believes God, He created all men and if men decided to worship other god's then thats between them, their god, and the real; God Himself, not me? Gods laws and commandments were made for all men regardless of race, color or belief.
Now I am not preaching to athiests of which I once was, in fact I studied the Bible thoroughly for over ten years trying vainlessly to DISSPROVE IT AS A BOOK FULL OF man made FAIRY STORIES and I have failed miserably!
Remember the 2A was framed by the very men who staunchly believed in God and the Bible so Americans can and still do thank them for their efforts.
George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.
John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.
"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence
"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution
"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.
"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;
"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.
Cheers, Haz.
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