TheQ
Regular Member
Good question, does MGO do anything as far as lobbying and trying to get laws changed?
Sometimes Mike Theide would show up at hearings and turn in a yellow "support" card.
Good question, does MGO do anything as far as lobbying and trying to get laws changed?
Sometimes Mike Theide would show up at hearings and turn in a yellow "support" card.
so what exactly do they do, just run a forum?
just out of curiosity, do you see MOC ever expanding to include a focus on all types of carry, as opposed to an emphasis on OC?
Even if we did, it would not mitigate the issue of Michigan not having a unified front in Lansing. So from that perspective, what's the point of expanding(or diluting, depending who you ask), our focus?
I wonder how many more members would come aboard if MOC was called Michigan Carry, or something similar? \
+1 "Michigan Carry" sound quite good frankly. As long as the mission statement is explicit and clear about supporting 'all' methods of carry of 'all' arms (pistols, long-arms, knives, martial arts stuff, etc.) then I think such a wide-umbrella would succeed. I think people are turned off by groups that focus too narrowly as it may devolve into elitism. To make matters more diversity friendly, there should be an official director specializing in sidearm carry, another in long-arm carry, another in knife carry, etc. so that the membership-at-large sees that the organization truly has some focus on their needs. An effective organization has to be set up from the get go to appeal to all demographics.
so what exactly do they do, just run a forum?
just out of curiosity, do you see MOC ever expanding to include a focus on all types of carry, as opposed to an emphasis on OC?
+1 "Michigan Carry" sound quite good frankly. As long as the mission statement is explicit and clear about supporting 'all' methods of carry of 'all' arms (pistols, long-arms, knives, martial arts stuff, etc.) then I think such a wide-umbrella would succeed. I think people are turned off by groups that focus too narrowly as it may devolve into elitism. To make matters more diversity friendly, there should be an official director specializing in sidearm carry, another in long-arm carry, another in knife carry, etc. so that the membership-at-large sees that the organization truly has some focus on their needs. An effective organization has to be set up from the get go to appeal to all demographics.
All I'll say is: the idea has been discussed under my tenure.
Good to hear, I think that is a step in the right direction. Has the idea of altering the name to try and attract more members ever come up?
So what's the next step G22? mcrgo is basically non-existent these days, MGO does not have any interest in lobbying or politics, MOC wishes to just stick with OC and it's related issues, so how to we organize a group that is dedicated to advancing ALL firearms rights here in MI?
Do we need to start a new group? Do we somehow try to convince one of the groups i mentioned to expand what they do? We need something that will be as aggressive as MOC is at lobbying, has the membership numbers of MGO, and is welcoming to all forms of carry and all 2A related issues.
SB 59 is not an OC related issue. We're interested in lobbying for any defensive carry issues (not so much hunting).
I thought one of MOC's main arguments for 59 was that it "legitimizes" the OC in a PFZ loophole? So in that regard it is an OC related issue, correct?
I just asked yesterday if you guys would consider expanding to represent all forms of carry equally and you said it had been discussed, but you didn't indicate that it was agreed upon.
It's...complicated. Yes, SB 59 does legitimize the OC loophole.
We aren't limiting ourselves to OC issues. We have a few items we'd like to work on next session, only one of them is a 100% OC issue.
This isn't the proper forum to discuss Michigan Open Carry legislative priorities. You know what forum I'll be on if you wish to discuss those...
So what's the next step G22? mcrgo is basically non-existent these days, MGO does not have any interest in lobbying or politics, MOC wishes to just stick with OC and it's related issues, so how to we organize a group that is dedicated to advancing ALL firearms rights here in MI?
Do we need to start a new group? Do we somehow try to convince one of the groups i mentioned to expand what they do? We need something that will be as aggressive as MOC is at lobbying, has the membership numbers of MGO, and is welcoming to all forms of carry and all 2A related issues.
I honestly don't know. Nobody has been able to figure that out in the last decade.
That's sad...10 years wasted without common goal representation.