Freedom1Man
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To prevent the unintentional further derailment of another thread.
It was claimed by another poster whom of which, I BELIEVE, is too lazy to read the laws he tries to cite.
It was claimed that there is a 5000 dollar (FRN) penalty for failing to answer all the questions on a census form. The laws cited were 18 USC § 3571 and 13 USC § 221. The reason given for the government NOT collecting a 5000 dollar fine was that the government was too lazy to do so. YET the government will go after anyone else for that kind of cash even misdemeanors and speeding tickets. The 5000 dollar reference is found in title 18. You can skip the reading of that.
Well I guess that disproves his 5000 dollar argument right off of the bat.
Now on to Chapter 5!
I don't know about you but I will be looking in, think about, SUBCHAPTER II.
So let's look there for what is being requested of us.
I don't see where we are required to give anything but the number of people living there as data.
For further education please read section 1 about who a respondent is
While I realize this was simply the census thing, this level of reading is required when going through all of your local and federal laws. Who/what maybe the person that the law refers to is often not who you, or who/what the law enforcers, think it is.
I publicly advocate following laws as written. If you wish to challenge me on any law, and I have been wrong before, then please have a strong citation. Also please read any counter citations that I or anyone else may respond with.
I have been accused of giving legal advice on this site and I am careful to never give legal advice. I tell people to read the law. I will tell them how I see the laws applying however I do not tell people what actions to take based on the law (that would be legal advice). I am not a member of the private law club called the BAR Association nor have I taken the test they offer.
It was claimed by another poster whom of which, I BELIEVE, is too lazy to read the laws he tries to cite.
It was claimed that there is a 5000 dollar (FRN) penalty for failing to answer all the questions on a census form. The laws cited were 18 USC § 3571 and 13 USC § 221. The reason given for the government NOT collecting a 5000 dollar fine was that the government was too lazy to do so. YET the government will go after anyone else for that kind of cash even misdemeanors and speeding tickets. The 5000 dollar reference is found in title 18. You can skip the reading of that.
Emphasis mine.13 USC § 221 - Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers
(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.
(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.
Well I guess that disproves his 5000 dollar argument right off of the bat.
Now on to Chapter 5!
SUBCHAPTER I—MANUFACTURES, MINERAL INDUSTRIES, AND OTHER BUSINESSES (§§ 131–132)
SUBCHAPTER II—POPULATION, HOUSING, AND UNEMPLOYMENT (§§ 141–143_to_146)
SUBCHAPTER III—GOVERNMENTS (§§ 161–163)
SUBCHAPTER IV—INTERIM CURRENT DATA (§§ 181–184)
SUBCHAPTER V—GEOGRAPHIC SCOPE, PRELIMINARY AND SUPPLEMENTAL STATISTICS, AND USE OF SAMPLING (§§ 191–196)
I don't know about you but I will be looking in, think about, SUBCHAPTER II.
So let's look there for what is being requested of us.
I don't see where we are required to give anything but the number of people living there as data.
For further education please read section 1 about who a respondent is
While I realize this was simply the census thing, this level of reading is required when going through all of your local and federal laws. Who/what maybe the person that the law refers to is often not who you, or who/what the law enforcers, think it is.
I publicly advocate following laws as written. If you wish to challenge me on any law, and I have been wrong before, then please have a strong citation. Also please read any counter citations that I or anyone else may respond with.
I have been accused of giving legal advice on this site and I am careful to never give legal advice. I tell people to read the law. I will tell them how I see the laws applying however I do not tell people what actions to take based on the law (that would be legal advice). I am not a member of the private law club called the BAR Association nor have I taken the test they offer.
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