Michigander
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....no I'm not an idiot, I have no desire to float that one to a judge.
Why not? The cops often carry in schools with level 2-4 Safariland rigs, and I see no exemption for them here.
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....no I'm not an idiot, I have no desire to float that one to a judge.
What are the rules regarding parents that are the legal owners of firearms, and the firearms are at home? Does this remove them from the Head Start programs? What if one or both of the parents are lawful holders of state concealed carry permits?
Is there some law somewhere that says it's illegal for you to ask them these questions?
So out of my curiosity I went to http://michheadstart.org/contact-us and asked them this-
Perhaps I missed the part where you said that you asked them about this.
I never said anything about you, your name or your nick, so there should be no connection that anyone can see. Other than posting on the same forum.
Is there some law somewhere that says it's illegal for you to ask them these questions?
So out of my curiosity I went to http://michheadstart.org/contact-us and asked them this-
Perhaps I missed the part where you said that you asked them about this.
I never said anything about you, your name or your nick, so there should be no connection that anyone can see. Other than posting on the same forum.
Treading water to the deep end is a whole lot safer than jumping in and realizing you cannot swim.
Why not? The cops often carry in schools with level 2-4 Safariland rigs, and I see no exemption for them here.
Notice the difference?Head Start Program Performance Standards
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(2) Injury prevention. Grantee and delegate agencies must ensure that:
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(vii) There are no firearms or other weapons kept in areas occupied or accessible to children;
(viii) Alcohol and other drugs are not consumed while children are present or accessible to children at any time
Somewhat OT: Interesting thing besides no exemption for them in the Head Start regs...LEOs also have no exemption from the federal gfz law if they are off duty... unless they have a CPL...
Regarding carry in a home that runs a Head Start program, it appears that firearms could be kept in an area of the home that is not accessible to the children. If that were the case, OC or CC around the kids would be out but "keeping" a firearm in an area of the home that you keep children out of seems "legal". I'm not a lawyer so take this conjecture for what it's worth...
My sarcasm meter does not seem to be working this morning. Either that or perhaps I missed any point you were trying to make. I figure best to ask here before getting my kid who gets excited by the sight of a school bus removed from the program because his father exercises a right. Treading water to the deep end is a whole lot safer than jumping in and realizing you cannot swim.
You missed the point I was making...ok. I made an inquiry and if they respond I'll get you their answer. Essentially if they receive any funding from any government program then now they cannot punish your child or you for your lawful exercise of a Constitutional right. On the other hand what they really do in real life is completely different.
That is why I suggested that you could ask them via e-mail. What are they gonna do? Try to trace back the e-mail to you and see who you are? IIRC there's a couple federal laws that say they can't do that, but then I could be wrong about that.
I suggest getting a copy of the rule, regulation, laws and by laws for the group and reading up, and it wouldn't hurt to talk to a lawyer.
Personally I think you're paranoid, but that's me.
It sounds like paranoia, which isn't exactly a bad thing, but the school, especially HeadStart cannot and likely will not do or say anything about what you have in your car or home unless it poses as a threat to them. If you walk into their school packing, yeah they're gonna have a problem with that. If you have a CPL and you're at work or at the store or at a gas station or even in your front yard, I seriously doubt they'll do anything. If it concerns you, ask them. You have that right.My son goes to Head Start at a public school in Davison MI. Today he came home with a booklet in which it stated this,
I. Guns, firearms, and ammunition
A. Anyone, Parent, Child, Visitor, or employee, found to be in the possession of a firearm or ammunition during Head Start programming, or while on the property of any Head Start Facility, the following will occur:
1. 911 is called and a Police Report is filed.
2. Family is removed permanently from all Head Start services.
Special Note: If, as a result of Court ordered treatment, it is determined that re-entry into Head Start is recommended, Head Start staff, appropriate Professional and Building Managers, as applicable, will consider the request for re-entry.
You sound paranoid, but then I also havn't seen a scanned copy of the booklet. THAT mattes an awful lot. And when you say...
It sounds like paranoia, which isn't exactly a bad thing, but the school, especially HeadStart cannot and likely will not do or say anything about what you have in your car or home unless it poses as a threat to them. If you walk into their school packing, yeah they're gonna have a problem with that. If you have a CPL and you're at work or at the store or at a gas station or even in your front yard, I seriously doubt they'll do anything. If it concerns you, ask them. You have that right.
You posted and asked for views. So I gave you my view. And that offends you?
Somewhat OT: Interesting thing besides no exemption for them in the Head Start regs...LEOs also have no exemption from the federal gfz law if they are off duty... unless they have a CPL...
Regarding carry in a home that runs a Head Start program, it appears that firearms could be kept in an area of the home that is not accessible to the children. If that were the case, OC or CC around the kids would be out but "keeping" a firearm in an area of the home that you keep children out of seems "legal". I'm not a lawyer so take this conjecture for what it's worth...
I stand by what I said- If you carry a firearm onto the school property then I think they have that option, even if you have a CPL.
Ok, whichever. I don't think they'll do anything to you or your kid unless you step on school property armed. But you know that better than I do.
I wish you well.
Dr Todd,
State and local LEO's do have FGFSZA exemption off duty if they are carrying a firearm that is owned by the government and as long as they are within department policy as per 18 USC 925(a)(1)
If they meet this requirement, then nothing in Chapter 44 of Title 18 applies to them (except for lautenburg domestic violence). If it's a personal gun owned by the state or local LEO, then your assessment would be correct.