Reeves disappoints: SB 377 Firearm transfers to dealers; penalty.

[1245A Defender]

Huh???

Might not be a bad bill if they could exempt guns transferred by CHP holders. :uhoh:

I'll put that on the wish list....right below allowing Sunday Hunting by persons with CHP's

P4P for Sunday hunting on Sunday???? Really????

 

[peter nap]

P4P for Sunday hunting on Sunday???? Really????

Oh yeah...it's the latest fad! :uhoh:

 

[Grapeshot]

Oh yeah...it's the latest fad! :uhoh:

Which one?

http://www.allacronyms.com/FAD

Think maybe - "failure assessment diagram"

 

[Blk97F150]

Reeves: "...this is a good gun bill brought to me by some local reputable gun dealers."

This bill requires a S/N check. That is entirely different than "allows."

Follow da money. I'd bet the 'reputable dealers' who brought this bill to Reeves are counting on charging a new fee each time they do a SN check. So basically they use Reeves to get a law passed that gives them a 'required' pathway to make more money on what should be an otherwise simple transaction.

 

[TFred]

So this bill was made marginally acceptable by changing the original "required" to "optional."

Then our puppet-governor got his hands on it. Hope VCDL sends out an alert on this soon.

Virginia: Governor Returns NRA-Opposed Amendment on Firearm Records Legislation

Governor McAuliffe’s action to SB 377 has deep anti-gun implications. While SB 377 as passed and sent to the Governor requires the gun dealer to destroy the consent form for a firearm determined not to be lost or stolen, the Governor’s amendment would mandate that those consent forms would be kept by the dealer for at least 90 days with no requirement to destroy them ever. Such an amendment would create a backdoor registration of those seeking to sell, trade or transfer their lawfully owned firearms to a gun dealer.​

Reeves really was duped on this one, and he still doesn't have a clue about it.

TFred

 

[Repeater]

So this bill was made marginally acceptable by changing the original "required" to "optional."

Then our puppet-governor got his hands on it. Hope VCDL sends out an alert on this soon.

Virginia: Governor Returns NRA-Opposed Amendment on Firearm Records Legislation

Governor McAuliffe’s action to SB 377 has deep anti-gun implications. While SB 377 as passed and sent to the Governor requires the gun dealer to destroy the consent form for a firearm determined not to be lost or stolen, the Governor’s amendment would mandate that those consent forms would be kept by the dealer for at least 90 days with no requirement to destroy them ever. Such an amendment would create a backdoor registration of those seeking to sell, trade or transfer their lawfully owned firearms to a gun dealer.​

Reeves really was duped on this one, and he still doesn't have a clue about it.
TFred

Not sure if Reeves was the only one who was duped. It should have been obvious that McAuliffe lied his way into office and that he is stridently anti-gun. It sure ought to be obvious now. Any bill that is remotely pro-gun that arrives at the Governor's desk is likely to be remodeled into an anti-gun bill.

There is no point in bargaining with someone who acts in bad faith.

 

[youngck]

I am not sure the governor is so much stridently anti-gun as well bought. A million from Bloomberg buys a lot.

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[Grapeshot]

I am not sure the governor is so much stridently anti-gun as well bought. A million from Bloomberg buys a lot.

And the difference would be......?

 

[youngck]

Principle vs. Mercenary.

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[Grapeshot]

That's what the good ol' boys refer to as the "same difference" - cain't tell 'em apart.

 

[Repeater]

So this bill was made marginally acceptable by changing the original "required" to "optional."

Then our puppet-governor got his hands on it. Hope VCDL sends out an alert on this soon.

Virginia: Governor Returns NRA-Opposed Amendment on Firearm Records Legislation

Governor McAuliffe’s action to SB 377 has deep anti-gun implications. While SB 377 as passed and sent to the Governor requires the gun dealer to destroy the consent form for a firearm determined not to be lost or stolen, the Governor’s amendment would mandate that those consent forms would be kept by the dealer for at least 90 days with no requirement to destroy them ever. Such an amendment would create a backdoor registration of those seeking to sell, trade or transfer their lawfully owned firearms to a gun dealer.​

Reeves really was duped on this one, and he still doesn't have a clue about it.

TFred

The Senate REJECTS McAuliffe bad recommendation (15-Y 23-N).

 

[Blk97F150]

The vote:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?141+vot+SV0944SB0377+SB0377

floor: 04/23/14 Senate: Senate rejected Governor's recommendation (15-Y 23-N)

YEAS--Alexander, Ebbin, Edwards, Favola, Howell, Locke, Lucas, Marsden, Marsh, McEachin, Miller, Puckett, Puller, Saslaw, Wexton--15.

NAYS--Black, Carrico, Colgan, Cosgrove, Deeds, Garrett, Hanger, Lewis, Martin, McDougle, McWaters, Newman, Norment, Obenshain, Petersen, Reeves, Ruff, Smith, Stosch, Stuart, Vogel, Wagner, Watkins--23.

RULE 36--0.

NOT VOTING--Barker, Stanley--2.

Senator Barker stated that he was recorded as not voting on the question of agreeing to amend in accordance with the recommendation of the Governor S.B. 377, whereas he intended to vote nay.

 

[TFred]

And this explains just about everything you ever need to know about why this bill started out horrible and got to be marginally acceptable. I generally support Reeves, I campaigned very hard to help him knock off gun owner hating Edd Houck, but Reeves was completely duped on this bill, and he refused to admit it. Seeing who pushed him to carry it answers a lot of questions.

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Senator Reeves passes bill to protect gun dealers

• Senator Bryce Reeves
• Today at 4:07 PM

Contact: Ashley Nixon Phone: (540) 645-8440 Email: Ashley@BryceReeves.com July 22, 2014 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Senator Reeves passes bill to protect gun dealers​ FREDERICKSBURG, Va- Yesterday, Senator Reeves presented the signed copy of Senate Bill 377 to the owners of SSG Tactical, Doug Stockman and Curt Sebastian, in appreciation of their help spearheading this legislation. Senate Bill 377, will allow gun dealers who wish to purchase, transfer, or trade a firearm from a non-dealer person to submit information on that firearm to law enforcement in order to find out if it has been lost or stolen. For this to occur, there must be a consent form that includes all identification in writing from the individual selling, trading or transferring the firearm to the dealer, as well as information on the firearm itself. As passed in the General Assembly, Senate Bill 377 specifies that if the firearm is determined to not have been stolen or lost, the dealer is then required to destroy the consent form within a two week period. “Doug and Curt have been essential in fixing this problem that has been affecting gun dealers across the Commonwealth. By bringing this issue to our attention, they have allowed stolen property to be returned to their rightful owners and dealers to protect their businesses from loss of profit and extreme fines,” stated Senator Reeves in response to the bill taking effect. This bill will now make it possible for individuals to buy and sell guns without the seller falling into trouble, provide the ability to check backgrounds of persons and their guns to ensure safety, reassure the returning of stolen property without penalizing the seller, and it will lead to the growth and protection of small businesses. The passed and now enacted bill gives an optional process for gun dealers to determine if a firearm is stolen or lost through the Virginia State Police, and requires gun dealers to destroy all submitted consent forms for transfer of a firearm determined not to be stolen or lost within two weeks. This legislation will officially take effect on January 1, 2015. ###​ Follow us on:​ ​ Senator Reeves is a successful small business owner, a former Army Ranger and Police Detective. Reeves is a fiscal conservative who supports all Virginians' rights guaranteed by our state and federal constitutions, creating new jobs, improving public education quality, restoring our economy, fighting for veterans' needs, and promoting business growth in a Free Enterprise system. He currently serves on the Courts of Justice, General Laws and Technology, Privileges and Elections, and Rehabilitation and Social Services committees in the Virginia State Senate. He has been married to his wife Anne for 24 years and has two children, Nikki and Jack. The family resides in Spotsylvania County. Learn more about Senator Reeves at www.BryceReeves.com.​ Paid for and authorized by Friends of Bryce Reeves​ ​

 

[skidmark]

Senate Bill 377, will allow [SUP]1[/SUP]gun dealers who wish to purchase, transfer, or trade a firearm from a non-dealer person[SUP]2[/SUP] to submit information on that firearm to law enforcement in order to find out if it has been lost or stolen. For this to occur, there must be a consent form that includes all identification in writing from the individual selling, trading or transferring the firearm to the dealer, as well as information on the firearm itself. As passed in the General Assembly, Senate Bill 377 specifies that if the firearm is determined to not have been stolen or lost, the dealer is then required to destroy the consent form within a two week period[SUP]3[/SUP].

[SUP]1[/SUP] - "allows"? As in not mandated but merely permitted?

[SUP]2[/SUP] - as in just about every firearm they sell or take in for gunsmithing service?

[SUP]3[/SUP] - why is there a permissible delay of up to 14 days? Who needs that much time to get their agent(s) down to the dealer and copy the form - which does not seem to have any privacy protections, not even the minimal ones that the 4473 and VASP analog have.

Quite a bit of spin in that news release. If it was a carnival ride the CPSC would be investigating it for child safety issues.

stay safe.

 

[Blk97F150]

And this explains just about everything you ever need to know about why this bill started out horrible and got to be marginally acceptable. I generally support Reeves, I campaigned very hard to help him knock off gun owner hating Edd Houck, but Reeves was completely duped on this bill, and he refused to admit it. Seeing who pushed him to carry it answers a lot of questions.

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Can you expound further on the bolded comment?

 

[TFred]

Can you expound further on the bolded comment?

I'm not a fan of the business Reeves is standing with in the press release.

TFred

 

[Blk97F150]

I'm not a fan of the business Reeves is standing with in the press release.

TFred

I gathered that much... I was hoping that you would elaborate 'why'. If you prefer not, thats ok... it was just a curiosity.

 

[TFred]

I gathered that much... I was hoping that you would elaborate 'why'. If you prefer not, thats ok... it was just a curiosity.

I'll PM you later today....

TFred

 

[wrearick]

Senator Reeves loses points in my view based on the wording HIS office chose for their press release. If memory serves me correctly individual senators do not "PASS" bills. They can propose legislation, vote on proposed legistlation and are part of the process to pass a bill into law but do not single handedly Pass Bills on their own.

 

[Repeater]

[SUP]1[/SUP] - "allows"? As in not mandated but merely permitted?

[SUP]2[/SUP] - as in just about every firearm they sell or take in for gunsmithing service?

[SUP]3[/SUP] - why is there a permissible delay of up to 14 days? Who needs that much time to get their agent(s) down to the dealer and copy the form - which does not seem to have any privacy protections, not even the minimal ones that the 4473 and VASP analog have.

Quite a bit of spin in that news release. If it was a carnival ride the CPSC would be investigating it for child safety issues.

stay safe.

I like your style of comments - commentary very much! I'll have to try footnotes[sup]1[/sup] sometime.

1. I wasn't aware BB supported footnotes.