Packing in Public...

ProguninTN · Jul 9, 2006

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No problem. I just thought I'd ask. In my training class, they stressed that for validity, the statute must be referenced, and it must be on every entrance. We were also taught that malls are notorious for non-compliant "No Weapons" signs. As for the taxes, that's how they get us in TN. No state income tax, so we really pay on sales taxes.

ProguninTN

SomeKid · Jul 9, 2006

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Tess, yes, 9.5%. Our spendthrift drunken sailor Democrats in Nashville can't stop spending. I hope we can get rid of that socialist medicine system we call Tenncare, then we could cut that tax (7% is state) and be better off. At least we have no income tax on wages, for which I am thankful.

robbiev427 · Jul 26, 2006

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Tess wrote:

The Mall at Johnsonville is posted: No weapons of any kind

I didn't notice whether it was posted ON the door, but it is posted on their "Standards of Conduct" inside the mall - first item on the list.

I noticed a sign yesterday morning at Peobody Place in Memphis that said essentially, "Anything that could be classified as a weapon" was prohibited, and also stated, "even if it is legal."Wow...anything that *COULD* be. That leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

Luckily, it was not a "legal" sign. Additionally, it was about number7 or 8 down on a list of about 15 items on a "Standards of Conduct" sign, AND it wasn't even facing the front door. It was on the back side of a two-sided sign. The front side was something totally unrelated.

Tess · Jul 27, 2006

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robbiev427 wrote:

Tess wrote:

The Mall at Johnsonville is posted: No weapons of any kind

I didn't notice whether it was posted ON the door, but it is posted on their "Standards of Conduct" inside the mall - first item on the list.

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I noticed a sign yesterday morning at Peobody Place in Memphis that said essentially, "Anything that could be classified as a weapon" was prohibited, and also stated, "even if it is legal."Wow...anything that *COULD* be. That leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

Luckily, it was not a "legal" sign. Additionally, it was about number7 or 8 down on a list of about 15 items on a "Standards of Conduct" sign, AND it wasn't even facing the front door. It was on the back side of a two-sided sign. The front side was something totally unrelated.

Teehee - does that mean you can't take your fist in there?

Or, as any student of taekwondo (or any other art) knows, the elbow is the strongest weapon on the body.

Or my purse could be a weapon, as could my belt, or my pen.

WOW. Wouldn't it be fun to call the manager and ask that every clerk be asked to leave since s/he is wielding a pen?

The imagination soars!

robbiev427 · Jul 27, 2006

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Tess wrote:

robbiev427 wrote:

Tess wrote: Teehee - does that mean you can't take your fist in there?

Or, as any student of taekwondo (or any other art) knows, the elbow is the strongest weapon on the body.

Or my purse could be a weapon, as could my belt, or my pen.

WOW. Wouldn't it be fun to call the manager and ask that every clerk be asked to leave since s/he is wielding a pen?

The imagination soars!

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I had some of the same thoughts!

cs9c1 · Jul 28, 2006

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So let me see if my thinking is correct in this line of thought. No weapons of any kind would equal:

1. You would have to be nude, so you wouldn't be able to use your clothes as a weapon.

2. Hand cuffed, so no fists

and

3. Shackled, to prevent kicking

But I guess that would still leave your teeth for biting. Do the even make a human muzzle?:shock:LOL.

robbiev427 · Jul 28, 2006

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Technically, even nude, you still have at least one weapon. :shock:

I'm joking, of course, but since rape is a forcible felony, it could still be classified as a weapon.

Tess · Jul 28, 2006

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robbiev427 wrote:

Technically, even nude, you still have at least one weapon. :shock:

I'm joking, of course, but since rape is a forcible felony, it could still be classified as a weapon.

Well, I don't have that as a weapon

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But if people were to see me naked, they'd be laughing too hard to commit a crime <grin>.

robbiev427 · Jul 28, 2006

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Tess wrote:

robbiev427 wrote:

Technically, even nude, you still have at least one weapon. :shock:

I'm joking, of course, but since rape is a forcible felony, it could still be classified as a weapon.

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Well, I don't have that as a weapon .

But if people were to see me naked, they'd be laughing too hard to commit a crime <grin>.

Whoops. :uhoh: Yep! Whack me over the head and call me Shirley.

Don't feel bad. All I have is a snubbie. :?

cs9c1 · Jul 28, 2006

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Wow, did we get off topic:what:.

robbiev427 · Jul 28, 2006

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cs9c1 wrote:

Wow, did we get off topic:what:.

What? What?!?! I meant a gun!

SpringerXDacp · Aug 2, 2006

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cs9c1 wrote:

So let me see if my thinking is correct in this line of thought. No weapons of any kind would equal:

1. You would have to be nude, so you wouldn't be able to use your clothes as a weapon.

2. Hand cuffed, so no fists

and

3. Shackled, to prevent kicking

But I guess that would still leave your teeth for biting. Do the even make a human muzzle?:shock:LOL.

As a matter-of-fact, "they" do.

novaccw · Aug 3, 2006

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There is always the headbutt...the forehead is pretty hard and effective into something softer like a nose...just don't miss and hit teeth!! Speaking of teeth...well nevermind. This just goes to show where there is a will there is a way...criminals will use ANY neccessary means to accomplish their goals and there is NO absolute form of protection or safety...well there goes utopia.

CCW · Sep 16, 2006

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ProguninTN wrote:

Did it reference Title 39, Chapter 17, Section 1359 ? In order to be valid, it must.

ProguninTN

My instructor said "No Firearms Allowed" in plain language conspicuously posted, at "ALL" entrances was sufficient barrier to CC. Proprietors of private establishments have final say-so.

robbiev427 · Sep 16, 2006

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CCW wrote:

ProguninTN wrote:

Did it reference Title 39, Chapter 17, Section 1359 ? In order to be valid, it must.

ProguninTN

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My instructor said "No Firearms Allowed" in plain language conspicuously posted, at "ALL" entrances was sufficient barrier to CC. Proprietors of private establishments have final say-so.

The law, as written in the TCA,states specificallythe sign must meet certain requirement, including that it must say the following, and it must be a certain size lettering:

PURSUANT TO T.C.A. § 39-17-1359, THE OWNER/OPERATOR OF THIS PROPERTY HAS BANNED WEAPONS WITHIN THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THIS BUILDING. A VIOLATION OF THIS PROHIBITION IS PUNISHABLE AS A CRIMINAL ACT UNDER STATE LAW AND MAY BE SUBJECT TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $500.

You can view the entire law here:

http://www.rrmemphis.com/law014.html

*However* it should be noted that it's a technicality. The owner of the property has the final say so in the sense thatthat any person can be asked to leave for (almost) any reason. If you go into some business and they find out you have a gun and they ask you to leave and you refuse, you are, at that point, tresspassing, regardless of the signage.

But, if you are in a business that does not have a proper sign posted, you have technically broken no law if they haven't asked you to leave.

EDITED TO ADD: Asign that says"noweapons allowed" does not conform to the law.

ProguninTN · Sep 17, 2006

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robbiev: Good call. I probably should have mentioned that in the absence of the official signage, verbal instruction is also valid.

ProguninTN

molonlabetn · Sep 18, 2006

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I frequently CC in businesses which don't have signs which are up to the TCA requirements. For example, I enter local movie theaters at least once a week, packing.

Open-carry would be entirely another deal... But I wouldn't want to put myself into a crowded, dark room with an exposed gun on my hip, anyways!

ProguninTN · Sep 20, 2006

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molonlabetn wrote:

I frequently CC in businesses which don't have signs which are up to the TCA requirements. For example, I enter local movie theaters at least once a week, packing.

Open-carry would be entirely another deal... But I wouldn't want to put myself into a crowded, dark room with an exposed gun on my hip, anyways!

I once worked at a theatre, so I am aware of both improper postings, and undesirable activity in crowded dark rooms. I would conceal if I went to a theatre.

ProguninTN

presbyreformed · Sep 21, 2006

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PT-111 wrote:

I plan to open carry much more. I really enjoyed not having to wear a cover germent. No sweating my butt of on a simple trip to the store. What a joy.

PT-111

I've noticed a bunch of you talking about being glad to OC because you don't need a covering garment.

You guys need to see the Smartcarry holster. I have one. Once you get one, you'll never use another concealed carry holster. I promise you that. I can carry my full-size XD-40 in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt and no one notices. Not one person has ever noticed my gun, even when I was wearing shorts and a t-shirt and asked a young man in LE if he could see where I was wearing it... he couldn't!

http://www.smartcarry.com/

Sorry, I don't usually put in a plug for a business, but this is a small business, American owned and manufactured in Florida. Nice guy.

molonlabetn · Sep 21, 2006

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presbyreformed wrote:

I've noticed a bunch of you talking about being glad to OC because you don't need a covering garment.

You guys need to see the Smartcarry holster. I have one. Once you get one, you'll never use another concealed carry holster. I promise you that. I can carry my full-size XD-40 in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt and no one notices. Not one person has ever noticed my gun, even when I was wearing shorts and a t-shirt and asked a young man in LE if he could see where I was wearing it... he couldn't!

http://www.smartcarry.com/

Sorry, I don't usually put in a plug for a business, but this is a small business, American owned and manufactured in Florida. Nice guy.

I've heard good things about Smart-Carry as a method of concealment, but my main concern with this and other 'deep-concealment' holsters is the difficult or time-consuming draw motion, which may require both hands. I carry open quite frequently for several reasons, one of which is to reduce draw-time.

If I lived in a state which required me to conceal, or there were penalties for 'printing', a Smart-Carry would be at the top of my list.

molonlabetn

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