razor_baghdad
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Scenario: Traveling south on Loudon County Parkway…hit the dog-leg right, down by Gouviea Street…..headed to Silver Eagle. The speed limit nose dives from 45 to 25 (25mph sign is (8.5” x 11”…but yes…it’s there) well before the 75 degree turn. I didn’t see it. I hit the turn at about 35 and yes, an LEO was right behind me. He made the turn onto Gouviea with me and hit the digitals…
At that point I pulled over and moved the pistol from on top of the center seat console onto the dash, put my hands out the window, wallet in hand and waited.
LEO: “I see the pistol on the dash. Please don’t make any attempt at reaching for the pistol. Are you active duty? (several
SF
/mil. stickers on the vehicle).
Me: No sir, I’m retired…(as I’m fishing my license out of the wallet and he sees the CAC, retiree card.)
LEO: Do you have a concealed carry permit? (I’m pretty sure I don’t have to answer that question as I’m OCing in the vehicle as the LEO already acknowledged)…
Me: ‘Yes, I do.’….
(To me, demeanor in the initial response is crucial. I could’ve been the activist and said ‘I don’t think I have to answer that question’, but ...... ‘Yes, I do.’ (This question, IMO, becomes important later)
LEO: ‘You were doing 45 in a 25 back on LCP’
LEO takes license and heads to vehicle.
At this point I kicked myself and realized [duh] I had a digital recorder and then turned it on. :cuss:
LEO returns: ‘I’m not seeing your concealed carry permit in our system. (He THEN sees the digital recorder next to the pistol :what:and asks me ‘Please exit the vehicle and step to the back and keep your hands visible’. (in front of his vehicle where a vidcam and microphone are on anyway)
(At the back of the vehicle)
LEO: ‘Let me see your CWP’
Me: (I dig the permit out) but also stated:. ‘I'm certain that in the State of Va I don’t need a cc permit to open carry in the vehicle, sir’.
LEO: ‘You mean to tell me you carry your pistol on the dash like that’?
Me: ‘No, sir, it lays on the center console in full view of all the occupants in the vehicle’.
At this point he blinks at me a few times, probably realizing that he’s dealing with a semi-literate on Va state laws OCer who has a CWP also, and that he’s probably not gonna be able to walk-on/intimidate me.
LEO: ‘Oh, I know the state OC laws, I want to know why your CWP isn’t showing up in the system’ (but stated more as a question)…btw…he was being very courteous and never flexed muscle/intimidated.
(IMHO he never should have asked me on initial response if I had a CWP as I was OCing. This becomes evident later because when my plates were run through the system, the CWP would show up then also, which it didn’t.)
LEO: ‘Trust me, I don’t mind OC, I just need to figure out why you’re not on our books’. (gets on cell-phone at this point as he steps away from me) (2[suP]nd[/suP] vehicle LEO covers down on me.)
LEO returns: ‘It’s probably because it’s new’.
(I have a feeling he called his Sup and his Sup advised to let me go)
Me: ‘It’s fairly new, I just got it last week.’
LEO: ‘Have a nice day, slow down and be safe.’
Back to initial response about CWP, if I go into the hard-core ‘I have 1A, 2A rights’ mode, I’m probably digging a hole and begging to eat a few more tickets, speeding, no turn-signal here, tires too big for the truck…kinda stuff. As it was I didn’t receive a ticket.
I think the LEO knew he crossed a line by asking for the CWP and then had to backtrack after asking about the CWP and then running the license, making the inquiries to higher.
What would have been your initial response upon LEO approach to your vehicle?
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Too bad this thread closed. I learned a lot about my screwups and was hoping to learn more.
DA: Couldn't agree more with you. +1,000,00.
FWIW....my vehicle sits about 6' off the ground. He didn't see me place the pistol on the dash, I couldn't see his face in the rearview my truck sits up so high...no biggie.
I was in the right by OCing in the vehicle and wasn't concerned about the recording, pending lawsuit BS, CWP...I don't think that way...ever.
Scenario: Traveling south on Loudon County Parkway…hit the dog-leg right, down by Gouviea Street…..headed to Silver Eagle. The speed limit nose dives from 45 to 25 (25mph sign is (8.5” x 11”…but yes…it’s there) well before the 75 degree turn. I didn’t see it. I hit the turn at about 35 and yes, an LEO was right behind me. He made the turn onto Gouviea with me and hit the digitals…
At that point I pulled over and moved the pistol from on top of the center seat console onto the dash, put my hands out the window, wallet in hand and waited.
LEO: “I see the pistol on the dash. Please don’t make any attempt at reaching for the pistol. Are you active duty? (several
SF
/mil. stickers on the vehicle).
Me: No sir, I’m retired…(as I’m fishing my license out of the wallet and he sees the CAC, retiree card.)
LEO: Do you have a concealed carry permit? (I’m pretty sure I don’t have to answer that question as I’m OCing in the vehicle as the LEO already acknowledged)…
Me: ‘Yes, I do.’….
(To me, demeanor in the initial response is crucial. I could’ve been the activist and said ‘I don’t think I have to answer that question’, but ...... ‘Yes, I do.’ (This question, IMO, becomes important later)
LEO: ‘You were doing 45 in a 25 back on LCP’
LEO takes license and heads to vehicle.
At this point I kicked myself and realized [duh] I had a digital recorder and then turned it on. :cuss:
LEO returns: ‘I’m not seeing your concealed carry permit in our system. (He THEN sees the digital recorder next to the pistol :what:and asks me ‘Please exit the vehicle and step to the back and keep your hands visible’. (in front of his vehicle where a vidcam and microphone are on anyway)
(At the back of the vehicle)
LEO: ‘Let me see your CWP’
Me: (I dig the permit out) but also stated:. ‘I'm certain that in the State of Va I don’t need a cc permit to open carry in the vehicle, sir’.
LEO: ‘You mean to tell me you carry your pistol on the dash like that’?
Me: ‘No, sir, it lays on the center console in full view of all the occupants in the vehicle’.
At this point he blinks at me a few times, probably realizing that he’s dealing with a semi-literate on Va state laws OCer who has a CWP also, and that he’s probably not gonna be able to walk-on/intimidate me.
LEO: ‘Oh, I know the state OC laws, I want to know why your CWP isn’t showing up in the system’ (but stated more as a question)…btw…he was being very courteous and never flexed muscle/intimidated.
(IMHO he never should have asked me on initial response if I had a CWP as I was OCing. This becomes evident later because when my plates were run through the system, the CWP would show up then also, which it didn’t.)
LEO: ‘Trust me, I don’t mind OC, I just need to figure out why you’re not on our books’. (gets on cell-phone at this point as he steps away from me) (2[suP]nd[/suP] vehicle LEO covers down on me.)
LEO returns: ‘It’s probably because it’s new’.
(I have a feeling he called his Sup and his Sup advised to let me go)
Me: ‘It’s fairly new, I just got it last week.’
LEO: ‘Have a nice day, slow down and be safe.’
Back to initial response about CWP, if I go into the hard-core ‘I have 1A, 2A rights’ mode, I’m probably digging a hole and begging to eat a few more tickets, speeding, no turn-signal here, tires too big for the truck…kinda stuff. As it was I didn’t receive a ticket.
I think the LEO knew he crossed a line by asking for the CWP and then had to backtrack after asking about the CWP and then running the license, making the inquiries to higher.
What would have been your initial response upon LEO approach to your vehicle?
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Too bad this thread closed. I learned a lot about my screwups and was hoping to learn more.
DA: Couldn't agree more with you. +1,000,00.
This thread was about OC in a vehicle, not about cop-bashing or mind-reading.....not my intent at all.It sickens me to see a board filled with so much phuckin hate towards a group of people.
Being the DA I try to see both sides. But in this case I cannot. The fear and bad mouthingjust defy all logic
FWIW....my vehicle sits about 6' off the ground. He didn't see me place the pistol on the dash, I couldn't see his face in the rearview my truck sits up so high...no biggie.
I was in the right by OCing in the vehicle and wasn't concerned about the recording, pending lawsuit BS, CWP...I don't think that way...ever.