Kicked out of Kroger in Richmond, threatened by LEO with arrest.

[Citizen]

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ProShooter wrote:

This thread has gotten entirely out of hand..........

We're just documenting a certain LEO's leaps of logic.

What's scary is that prosecutors listen to this guy. And whoever issues warrants based on his affidavits.

"I found some long hair trimmings. This isindicative of a skinhead. We need to search the entire property for evidence of a hate-group."

 

[Sheriff]

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LEO 229 wrote:

MeBaby wrote:

229, do you know sheriff personally? If not I would say that if he says that he was not referring to the Neo-Nazi definition, you have to take his word for it....... unless you have proof otherwise.

It is very easy today in the United States of the Offended to say something, mean it one way and people take it the wrong way.

I hear what you are saying.

Even if he did not intend to say it that way... It should be clear that it can be taken the wrong way now that he has "just learned" that it is associated with a racist group.

Has he changed his post? No.

Even though he knows it is also used to identifya racist hate group.. he has chosen to allow it to remain.

This is because IMO it is what he intended in the first place.

Have I met him? No. But I am very aware that he is anti law enforcement now after retiring after 30 years of service. He does not approve of the new officers joining the force and therefore all law enforcement is bad.

Read his posts and you will see what I mean. I have beenreading his posts since he first arrived... I have discovered that everything he says is degrading to the law enforcement.

Reno229, It was so peaceful after your moderator status was revoked and you disappeared for a while. Just curious, what made you return? Is there anything at all I can say to make you take another short hiatus? I just can't escape the feeling that this forum drives your blood pressure crazy. And for that, I feel guilty.

MeBaby, just so you know exactly what's going on, he blames me for his moderator status being revoked here in the OC forums. I have no idea how he felt that I, as a new member here, could have accomplished this so quickly when it took place a short while back.

Anyhow, this is my last post on this "skinhead" subject whether Reno 229 chooses to believe me or not.... to me "skinhead" means a person, any person, with a totally shaved head. The term "bald headed" just doesn't cut it in my mind, because bald headed men have involuntarily LOST all their hair. Skinhead means they have intentionally shaved their hair off. And some cops do it because they think it makes them look so intimidating out on the streets (a secret I suppose I wasn't suppose to expose).

 

[MeBaby]

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LEO 229 wrote:

MeBaby wrote:

229, do you know sheriff personally? If not I would say that if he says that he was not referring to the Neo-Nazi definition, you have to take his word for it....... unless you have proof otherwise.

It is very easy today in the United States of the Offended to say something, mean it one way and people take it the wrong way.

I hear what you are saying.

Even if he did not intend to say it that way... It should be clear that it can be taken the wrong way now that he has "just learned" that it is associated with a racist group.

Has he changed his post? No. (snipped)

Is changing your post something I didn't read in the forum rules? He didn't change his post, what he diddo is refute the definition and say that that wasn't what he meant.

I have read his posts and I understand how easy it is to comdemn a entire group because of the actions of a number of the group. We are ALL guilty of judging groups of people by the actions of a few at different times.

 

[Sheriff]

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Citizen wrote:

ProShooter wrote:

This thread has gotten entirely out of hand..........

We're just documenting a certain LEO's leaps of logic.

What's scary is that prosecutors listen to this guy. And whoever issues warrants based on his affidavits.

+1 ............

I absolutely agree with you....it is indeed a very scary thought! :shock:

 

[MeBaby]

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Sheriff wrote:

LEO 229 wrote:

MeBaby wrote:

229, do you know sheriff personally? If not I would say that if he says that he was not referring to the Neo-Nazi definition, you have to take his word for it....... unless you have proof otherwise.

It is very easy today in the United States of the Offended to say something, mean it one way and people take it the wrong way.

I hear what you are saying.

Even if he did not intend to say it that way... It should be clear that it can be taken the wrong way now that he has "just learned" that it is associated with a racist group.

Has he changed his post? No.

Even though he knows it is also used to identifya racist hate group.. he has chosen to allow it to remain.

This is because IMO it is what he intended in the first place.

Have I met him? No. But I am very aware that he is anti law enforcement now after retiring after 30 years of service. He does not approve of the new officers joining the force and therefore all law enforcement is bad.

Read his posts and you will see what I mean. I have beenreading his posts since he first arrived... I have discovered that everything he says is degrading to the law enforcement.

Reno229, It was so peaceful after your moderator status was revoked and you disappeared for a while. Just curious, what made you return? Is there anything at all I can say to make you take another short hiatus? I just can't escape the feeling that this forum drives your blood pressure crazy. And for that, I feel guilty.

MeBaby, just so you know exactly what's going on, he blames me for his moderator status being revoked here in the OC forums. I have no idea how he felt that I, as a new member here, could have accomplished this so quickly when it took place a short while back.

Anyhow, this is my last post on this "skinhead" subject whether Reno 229 chooses to believe me or not.... to me "skinhead" means a person, any person, with a totally shaved head. The term "bald headed" just doesn't cut it in my mind, because bald headed men have involuntarily LOST all their hair. Skinhead means they have intentionally shaved their hair off. And some cops do it because they think it makes them look so intimidating out on the streets (a secret I suppose I wasn't suppose to expose).

I remember it. It was at the same time I called him a "dumbazz". "It's your attitude, dumbazz" was the exact quote. I remember it well because it was name calling and I shouldn't have done it. I'm glad there are no real moderators, we should be able to talk freely and we should regulate ourselves and conduct ourselves as men and gentlemen. This doesn't mean we can't be PASSIONATE about our views. It doesn't evenmean I have to respect your opinion. It does mean that I have to respect you as a human being and treat you as I want to be treated.

So if I disagree with you I can say "HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?" but I should not say, "YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PERSON ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH!"

As far as this straying off topic, I bookmark certain topics and focus the small amount of time I have to those topics so I don't mind if they include other thoughts, questions, comments. I'll read the whole thread, but I may not read other threads.

 

[Sheriff]

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Back on topic, and for what it's worth. After I finished dinner I had to go out and pick up some Pepsi. I buy them by the case, much cheaper by the case of course. I went to a local Krogers and carried openly. Colt Delta Elite 10mm in a fobus. I arrived back home about 8:00 p.m. and did not have 12 police cars in pursuit, so I guess things went OK.

As far as I know only 2 people even noticed. While in the soda section somebody in dark slacks, white shirt and tie suddenly appeared walking towardsme. My right side was exposed to him as he approached. I figured maybe it was a store manager and all hell was about to break loose. As he walked by I looked at him, spoke.and saw himlooking down at my belt. But, he kept on walking. After reading the situations on this forum daily, I wondered if he was going to get security or call 911.

I grabbed what I needed and walked to the register. The cashier asked me if I wanted thePepsi in bags while reaching for the sillywhite plastic bags and looking down at my right side. I said NO and told her I would carry them as is.

None of this really defines our local Kroger's policy though. Having worn a uniform and badge in the city this Kroger is located in for over two decades (1974 to 1996), perhaps they felt they recognized me as a deputy sheriff. It's just hard to say what went through anybody's mind. It was surprising that other customers simply didn't seem to notice, or care even if they did notice. It's also important to add that their security is current and former law enforcement officers who probably would recognize me.

 

[Deanimator]

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LEO 229 wrote:

Doug Huffman wrote:

Sheriff wrote:

he beats himself up with 3 hours of research

Barbara Streisand!

No '3 hours of research' since his CJA, if then.

Once again... Doug chimes in with nothing useful to say.

He cannot post anything original without quoting and making reference to someone else's post. Then he does not really say anything in regards to the topic.

Typical!! :lol:

Let's see... perhaps you could refresh my memory. I believe you said that there was no reason for you to care about Michael Pleasance, the man murdered by Officer (now Detective) Alvin Weems, because you didn't know him.

Now for WHAT reason should anyone who doesn't know you, care at all what you think about a comment about a hairstyle? Oh yeah, your FEELINGS about a COMMENT about a hairstyle trump human life, DON'T they?

 

[Sheriff]

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Deanimator wrote:

I believe you said that there was no reason for you to care about Michael Pleasance, the man murdered by Officer (now Detective) Alvin Weems, because you didn't know him.

That particular case stunk to High Heaven. It was just one more case that proves cops are often not prosecuted for their wrongdoings. I also didn't know the deceased, but I think he deserved better than a bullet in the head. From what I recall all Pleasance was doing was trying to point out where the real fight was taking place.

 

[Deanimator]

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Sheriff wrote:

Deanimator wrote:

I believe you said that there was no reason for you to care about Michael Pleasance, the man murdered by Officer (now Detective) Alvin Weems, because you didn't know him.

That particular case stunk to High Heaven. It was just one more case that proves cops are often not prosecuted for their wrongdoings. I also didn't know the deceased, but I think he deserved better than a bullet in the head. From what I recall all Pleasance was doing was trying to point out where the real fight was taking place.

All true, but really, doesn't a mere murder pale into insignificance compared to one cop's feigned indignation over an alleged innuendo related to a hair (or lack thereof) style? Where are you priorities???

 

[TexasNative]

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Sheriff, Citizen and Deanimator never pass up the opportunity to bash LEO229, which belies their own prejudices.

You guys hate cops. We get it. LEO and Nitrovic can never be right, no matter what they say.

Why don't you all shut the hell up if you can't address the original topic: Kroger.