New Mexico open carry arrests

[bogidu]

What are you smoking? There's "gun grabs" and there's "attempted gun grabs" and even if it isn't successful that doesn't mean you don't need to worry. A "gun grab" would mean that the person was successful in taking control of the gun. From what I've seen in this thread there's no definitive answer on if he grabbed the gun and gained control, the gun was picked up by someone else, or what.

No, that's not accurate. EVERY single example I have been able to locate has been labeled as an attempted gun grab by someone on these forums. Even if the perp DID temporarily have control of the firearm, because he was unable to maintain the firearm and shoot someone, it was only considered an attempted grab. Personally, if the perp GETS control of the gun (even momentarily) I see it as a successful gun grab.

And for the background on my 'not worry' comment you'd have to see another thread where basically I'm being ridiculed for even being concerned about the risk as the forum members seem to say that TRUE gun grabs just don't happen . . . . . hence my purpose is trying to understand the definitions that this group uses.

As I'm learning, it seems that I should be concerned about attempted gun grabs but not actual gun grabs . . . . hence. . . . SEMANTICS!

 

[bogidu]

No, it didn't. A "gun grab" is when someone grabs someone else's gun. If the owner retains the weapon, then the perp did not grab it from him. Think of it like punching someone in the face. If the swing goes wild, did the punch occur?

No.

Hopefully, with this analogy, you'll understand a little better.

Yep, makes sense now. It means that I'll edit my original statement to say that until I'm able to find a holster with active retention for my CZ, I'll carry empty chamber in case of an attempted gun grab situation as opposed to a gun grab situation.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

You guys should try reading more and arguing less. "“The next thing I know, he was reaching for the guys gun and he pulls it out and starts waving it all over the place and everyone starts screaming and running,” Culberth said.

During the chaos, Culberth said he ran back to the back of the restaurant and when he returned to the dining area, the gun was no longer with the man.

“One of the customers got the gun away from the guy and he handed it to me and I ran back in the kitchen with the gun and put it back in the office until the cops showed up,” Culberth said. “It’s mind-blowing to think something like this could happen.”

So... it was a successful gun grab. (Twice apparently...)

 

[bogidu]

Nope, that's the point of the discussion, it was an attempted gun grab because he did not maintain the weapon. I've pointed out other examples where the perp got ahold of the firearm but because he didn't keep it, many on this forum do not consider it a successful gun grab.

You guys should try reading more and arguing less. "“The next thing I know, he was reaching for the guys gun and he pulls it out and starts waving it all over the place and everyone starts screaming and running,” Culberth said.

During the chaos, Culberth said he ran back to the back of the restaurant and when he returned to the dining area, the gun was no longer with the man.

“One of the customers got the gun away from the guy and he handed it to me and I ran back in the kitchen with the gun and put it back in the office until the cops showed up,” Culberth said. “It’s mind-blowing to think something like this could happen.”

So... it was a successful gun grab. (Twice apparently...)

 

[MR Redenck]

The magazine holder I use for one of my pistols is a paddle holder. I have made a couple of "acrobatic"(not on purpose, I'm too old.) moves with it on and it retains the magazines quite well and takes both hands and 3-4 minutes to take off unless I remove my pants first. Then it still takes both hands and about 2 minutes to take off.

Hey!
I know yall are excited about that Oklahoma Open Carry bill, but no more of this taking your pants off and doing acrobatic stunts. Children might be watchin.