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NRA-ILA: The more things change...

HP995

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"Chris W. Cox has served as the executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, the political and lobbying arm of the National Rifle Association, since 2002."


"Directing NRA’s nationwide legislative and political efforts, Cox develops and executes independent, political campaign and legislative initiatives; coordinates national advertising and direct mail programs; and has administrative responsibility over NRA-ILA’s $33 million budget. He also serves as chairman on President Trump's Second Amendment Coalition" (ibid)

"Co-chairman John Boch believes Donald Trump Jr., an avid outdoorsman, will serve as a conduit between the advisory group and the White House. He and National Rifle Association lobbyist Chris Cox were tapped to lead the group."


"Boch said members of the coalition communicate via email and are currently working in an advisory capacity." (ibid)
 

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Sure they are.

The NRA is slowly dying. Much smaller gun orgs spend more actually lobbying and fighting for the actual RTKABA than the NRA does.
 

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Ahh...I wondered why just now.
Spies said:
This winter, members of the National Rifle Association—elk hunters in Montana, skeet shooters in upstate New York, concealed-carry enthusiasts in Jacksonville—might have noticed a desperate tone in the organization’s fund-raising efforts. In a letter from early March, Wayne LaPierre, the N.R.A.’s top executive, warned that liberal regulators were threatening to destroy the organization. “We’re facing an attack that’s unprecedented not just in the history of the N.R.A. but in the entire history of our country,” he wrote. “The Second Amendment cannot survive without the N.R.A., and the N.R.A. cannot survive without your help right now.”
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I wish I could support the NRA - nothing against them other than doing a poor job of defending our 2A and spending our money. My current hope is the GOA. At $20 for protecting your rights, maybe you can't afford NOT to join. I also have supported SAF and that's $15. You can get both of those for the same amount as one discounted annual NRA renewal! NRA is too wimpy to handle the job.

However on ERPO SAF has a similar position to NRA ("ERPO with due process") which I consider a weaker "2A Lite" position; the only motivation for ERPO is to reduce due process in the first place. So I'm not sure whether SAF will keep getting my support in future; I'll be looking at their actions and positions. I think GOA has a clear, consistent anti-ERPO position as far as I know:



Thanks for the info posted!
 

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Looks like a crisis for NRA.


That could be good or bad for us. Hopefully good, but it is a dangerous time. I've been knocking the NRA here because its 2A-Lite stance is just not good enough to defend our rights as the premiere gun org. The opposition now truly embraces the motto give an inch, take a mile. Appeasement was always bad, but it especially won't work with them.

However, we do need a strong gun lobby. So it's a dangerous time. Right now the NRA leadership is doubling down and saying even to internal critics, let's not argue in public or be internally divided and give the opposition any ammo. That's mainly self-serving a few individuals so I think we should keep the criticism flowing to actually correct the problem. This is a once per lifetime chance to reform the NRA. New leadership, better habits, firmer beliefs. The NRA is big and reforming it could make it a true 2A defender. So I hope this shake-up will result in big changes at NRA. And if they fly straight I'll join them.

Otherwise if NRA doubles down on their leadership mistakes and starts to decline and hurt themselves, we need a replacement growing fast. A gap in lobbying, legal, and promotional intensity/coverage would be bad. So for anyone who has spoken up here to criticize NRA, make sure you put your money where your mouth is - join or donate to GOA or another national gun org of your choice to make them grow so that our rights will be covered. Otherwise just empty words and shooting blanks! Thanks.
 

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North wanted to stiffen the NRA stance
Pierre wants to go even softer now, back to the sportsman and safety days as before. As 8f they ever really left those days.

The faster the NRA, crumbles the quicker a real 2A believing gun org, GOA, AGOA etc can move us toward regaining our RTKABA. Without the NRA wheedling and whining and constantly appeasing. Or actively agreeing with anti gun forces as they have a history of doing.
 

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North wanted to stiffen the NRA stance
Pierre wants to go even softer now, back to the sportsman and safety days as before. As 8f they ever really left those days.

The faster the NRA, crumbles the quicker a real 2A believing gun org, GOA, AGOA etc can move us toward regaining our RTKABA. Without the NRA wheedling and whining and constantly appeasing. Or actively agreeing with anti gun forces as they have a history of doing.
Alas, it is presumed the enities you mention have the infrastructure as well as the cojones and political savvy to step up... most organizations who are in ‘second’ place are there on purpose as being top dog is to stressful and arduous a position to succeed at for very long and in most cases do more harm in the long run than good.

Pierre should have stepped down long ago, er sorry...miss spoke...the board should have removed him long ago and reorganized the ILA infrastructure to be more aggressive, if you will, instead of maintaining status quo all these years.
 

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Alas, it is presumed the enities you mention have the infrastructure as well as the cojones and political savvy to step up... most organizations who are in ‘second’ place are there on purpose as being top dog is to stressful and arduous a position to succeed at for very long and in most cases do more harm in the long run than good.

Pierre should have stepped down long ago, er sorry...miss spoke...the board should have removed him long ago and reorganized the ILA infrastructure to be more aggressive, if you will, instead of maintaining status quo all these years.
Proof is in the pudding m. AGOA outspent the NRA in lobbying against ANY gun regulation.
The NRA got rode out of KY on a rail a few years ago over their trade permitless concealed carry for a host of added gun regulation , by KY gun owners.


This session though they try to claim credit the AGOA did the heavy lifting and got the permit to cc passed in a clean bill.

With the NRA out of the way those two orgs AGOA and GOA would accomplish more in 4 yrs than the NRA has in its history.

2A foundation does good work but they are getting soft too. They now support red flag with "due process".

The purpose of Red flag is to side step due process the 2A and 4A. Due process is not possible with Red flag.
 

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Google maybe does not want me to find AGOA - where is their website?

Due process is not possible with Red flag.
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Pierre should have stepped down long ago
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Remember, we gotta get people (and ourselves) to actually join/donate $$ to the other orgs so that one of them will become the new premiere/top/biggest gun org!

(Wish that could happen overnight; Trump usually likes to consult with the biggest or the leader in a policy area, so if (A)GOA became the biggest he would quickly change to have them as policy advisers and we'd be all set, on easy street!) :D
 

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However on ERPO SAF has a similar position to NRA ("ERPO with due process") which I consider a weaker "2A Lite" position; the only motivation for ERPO is to reduce due process in the first place. So I'm not sure whether SAF will keep getting my support in future; I'll be looking at their actions and positions. I think GOA has a clear, consistent anti-ERPO position as far as I know:



Thanks for the info posted!
SAF is not a lobby group. They file legal actions against mostly government entities in protection of our rights. And they do a bang up job with many important victories. They have said that ERPO must include due process. I believe that would mean that someone must have been adjudicated mentally incompetent or a criminal. That someone must have had their day in court and have been properly represented in the action against them.

Red Flag Laws by their very nature can't allow for due process therefore I can't imagine they would not file legal actions against any of these laws. My opinion.
 

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It is very simple, the NRA is about money not rights. A win in the courts restoring the 2A to it's intent would put the NRA out of business. It would seem the GOA, and SAF are willing to be no longer needed rather than continual padding pockets at the expense of the constitution.

Wow that felt good to say that without worry of being called a person whose parents were not married at birth, or be threatened with the ban hammer.
 

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Google maybe does not want me to find AGOA - where is their website?

(y)

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Remember, we gotta get people (and ourselves) to actually join/donate $$ to the other orgs so that one of them will become the new premiere/top/biggest gun org!

(Wish that could happen overnight; Trump usually likes to consult with the biggest or the leader in a policy area, so if (A)GOA became the biggest he would quickly change to have them as policy advisers and we'd be all set, on easy street!) :D

National Association for Gun Rights. My apologies for mixing the names up.
 

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That would be Dudley Brown’s NAGR
NAGR said:
How are you different from other gun rights organizations?
The National Association for Gun Rights, like many other gun rights organizations, promotes protections of the Second Amendment. But the similarities end there. Unlike other groups such as the NRA, NAGR believes in absolutely NO COMPROMISE on gun rights issues. For example:
  • The NRA played a major role in the passage of Brady Instant Gun Owner Registration as well as the Lautenberg Gun Ban. NAGR opposed these gun control schemes.
  • NAGR promotes Constitutional Carry legislation, which is the simple concept that people shouldn’t be forced to ask permission to exercise their right to bear arms. NAGR and its state affiliates have led the charge to pass Constitutional Carry in Wyoming, Kansas, Maine, West Virginia, Idaho, Mississippi, Missouri, and New Hampshire. In contrast, many gun rights groups promote “National Reciprocity” legislation, which will ultimately lead to more government regulation over the right to keep and bear arms. Learn more about the difference between Constitutional Carry and National Reciprocity here.
  • NAGR surveys every candidate for federal office and state offices and provides reports of where each candidates stands on specific gun rights issues, with no bias or rating system.
  • Unlike many gun rights groups, NAGR does not endorse “little victories.” Our God-given rights were outlined in the U.S. Constitution, and we will never stand by and allow them to be infringed.
  • I remember when mention of NAGR was prima face bashing of another run rights ass.
 

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Members, my sincere thanks for continuing to show other members as well as outside readers that this forum’s discussion(s) is as vibrant and relevant as it was when it was created.
 

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That would be Dudley Brown’s NAGR
  • I remember when mention of NAGR was prima face bashing of another run rights ass.
"Ass"?? "Association"? Most of the flyers and emails received from Moore and NAGR have not only bashed other groups but acted as if the house is on fire and they are trapped inside. They make the NRA's fund-raising seem mild by comparison.
 
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