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open carried in Maryland today
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kohburn
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just might do that - i know it'll get me "the look" from my wife though, i'm slowly converting her to realize how important gun rights are.
just might do that - i know it'll get me "the look" from my wife though, i'm slowly converting her to realize how important gun rights are.
Sig229
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bobodean wrote:
Im not trying to tell you what to do, but I can tell you my experience with an empty holster in Maryland.
It was November 2006 on Veterans Blvd near BWI.
I was in town for the holidays from Wyoming, and I did bring a lot of guns with my for my trip. But when I go to MD, I put them in my mothers house.
Although I forgot about one EMPTY holster laying on the back floor of my truck.
I was stopped for going 9-MPH over the speed limit (another MD insanity) and the officers saw it when I was giving my ID to them.
The AACO PD literately pulled my out of my truck, threw me on the road and cuffed me.
They then frisked me three times and were somewhat violent while doing the frisk.
The officers kept yelling at me about carrying a gun in Maryland and "We dont give a s--t what state you live in and what the gun laws are there"
For some reason, the LEO's mind wasn't comprehending I was telling them that I had NO firearms in the vehicle, only that one empty holster.
Keep in mind Im not some rough looking "wanna-be" gangster you see walking around with his pants half way down his behind.
Ima clean cut, and well spoken guy in his mid 20's.
After an hour long search of my truck by the two LEO's and later a shift supervisor and me sitting on the cold curb for that time. They6 let me go.
The next day, I filed a complaint with the AACO PD and they acted like I was from outer space and I got no responses regarding my complaint.
In Wyoming and Colorado I have been pulled over with my Glock 23 or Sig sitting loaded on the passenger seat and the only thing those cops said was "Please keep your hands away from the weapon while Im conducting this stop, thank you"
So, theres my experience with an empty holster in Maryland.
Again, Im not going to tell you how to protest. But Im just giving my experience.
As far as Maryland goes, I have only been back once. And after completing school in Colorado, Im here in WV working at WVU.
I look forward to never seeing MD again. And the sad part is, thast were I grew up. But thinking about what that state has become makes me nauseated to this day.
People dont think of me as a quitter, but I gotta admit Maryland won the battle for my loyalty as an American. I truly think that state is doomed until complete social breakdown occurs and then MAYBE the citizens of Maryland will wake up.
bobodean wrote:
Im not trying to tell you what to do, but I can tell you my experience with an empty holster in Maryland.
It was November 2006 on Veterans Blvd near BWI.
I was in town for the holidays from Wyoming, and I did bring a lot of guns with my for my trip. But when I go to MD, I put them in my mothers house.
Although I forgot about one EMPTY holster laying on the back floor of my truck.
I was stopped for going 9-MPH over the speed limit (another MD insanity) and the officers saw it when I was giving my ID to them.
The AACO PD literately pulled my out of my truck, threw me on the road and cuffed me.
They then frisked me three times and were somewhat violent while doing the frisk.
The officers kept yelling at me about carrying a gun in Maryland and "We dont give a s--t what state you live in and what the gun laws are there"
For some reason, the LEO's mind wasn't comprehending I was telling them that I had NO firearms in the vehicle, only that one empty holster.
Keep in mind Im not some rough looking "wanna-be" gangster you see walking around with his pants half way down his behind.
Ima clean cut, and well spoken guy in his mid 20's.
After an hour long search of my truck by the two LEO's and later a shift supervisor and me sitting on the cold curb for that time. They6 let me go.
The next day, I filed a complaint with the AACO PD and they acted like I was from outer space and I got no responses regarding my complaint.
In Wyoming and Colorado I have been pulled over with my Glock 23 or Sig sitting loaded on the passenger seat and the only thing those cops said was "Please keep your hands away from the weapon while Im conducting this stop, thank you"
So, theres my experience with an empty holster in Maryland.
Again, Im not going to tell you how to protest. But Im just giving my experience.
As far as Maryland goes, I have only been back once. And after completing school in Colorado, Im here in WV working at WVU.
I look forward to never seeing MD again. And the sad part is, thast were I grew up. But thinking about what that state has become makes me nauseated to this day.
People dont think of me as a quitter, but I gotta admit Maryland won the battle for my loyalty as an American. I truly think that state is doomed until complete social breakdown occurs and then MAYBE the citizens of Maryland will wake up.
kohburn
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just another example of the "so sue us" attititude many in power in Maryland have.
also sounds like a case they would lose if you chose to sue
just another example of the "so sue us" attititude many in power in Maryland have.
also sounds like a case they would lose if you chose to sue
stephpd
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John Rogers wrote:
John Rogers wrote:
I take it that since there have been no updates that John Rogers didn't get his permit. I guess money and business aren't good enough resons.
echo6tango
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Sig229 wrote:
There are many fine folks in Maryland that fight the good fight every year trying to pass legislation for the law-abiding folks in this State. But for whatever reason, both the majority of our legislators and the Maryland public in general seem to be oblivious. I think the answer is simple...the legislators are listening to the majority of their constituents...who remain silent; hoping someone else will come to their rescue.
Sig229 wrote:
An empty holster serves as probable cause as much as asingle round in a magazine separate from a firearm constitutes a loaded weapon (which it does NOT). Yet so many people have heard this passed on from one misinformed person to the next, it has somehow become pseudo law. If Maryland is so incredibly restrictive on firearms possessed outside of one's residence, how do we have so many crimes involving gun outside of the home? Rhetorical question...
There are many fine folks in Maryland that fight the good fight every year trying to pass legislation for the law-abiding folks in this State. But for whatever reason, both the majority of our legislators and the Maryland public in general seem to be oblivious. I think the answer is simple...the legislators are listening to the majority of their constituents...who remain silent; hoping someone else will come to their rescue.
Sonora Rebel
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Sig229 wrote:
Sig229 wrote:
I'm with you pard... 'Ain't no freakin' way I'll EVER go back to MD again... for any reason. An empty 'holster' is just that. It's not a weapon... of any kind. 'Shows the police state mentality of the cops now too. I was one... Baltimore City... over 30 years ago. 'Got my ticket from MD Police Training Commission 'n Baltimore City PD. I hope you sued them. (I would've) An empty holster does not establish 'probable cause'. 4th A is dead 'n buried in MD. 'Thing is... these neo-Nazi's believe they are DOING THEIR JOB.That's the mindset. The Statts Polizei are even worse. Maryland is finally a completeSocialist State... I expect a Red star to be added to the Lord's Calvert 'n Baltimore coat of arms MD flag shortly.
NetRangerM
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echo6tango wrote:
At about this point Officer 1 demands to see my driver's liscence, saying he wants to run a check on it. I politely refused the request, though I did end up giving him my name because I wasn't 100% sure on Maryland's stop and identify laws. He radios my name off to his dispatcher to try to dreg up something to arrest me for, and in the meantime he and his friend lecture me on how I shouldn't wear a holster to the airport, how it's a code orange threat level today, how it's suspicious, asking if I had a permit to open carry in VA, etc. One of them tries to tell me that he's been down to VA numerous times, and "Saw nothing that would indicate that Virginia is an Open Carry State". Now, being a good little OCing Virginian, I happened to have in my pocket a few copies of the VDCL's Virginia Law Cards, whihc I was more than happy to allow the officer to review. He spend a while looking over the card, and returned it to me without comment. I did get the two officers to grudgingly admit that there was no crime in wearing an empty holster to the airport, or anywhere else in MD. They did suggest though, that I untuck my shirt next time and pull it over the holster. I told them that If I did that, and the bottom of the holster managed to peek out, there would be no easy way to ascertain whether or not my holster is empty, which would undoubtebly cause more problems.
Long story short......
My Girlfriend will never again take a flight that doesn't come in or out of Dulles.
NetrangerM
echo6tango wrote:
Yeah, going into MD with an empty Holster can get you hassled. Found that out last night when I was dropping my Girlfriend off at BWI for a flight home. She had been in town with a rental car, and wanted me to ride up to the airport with her to drop it off. I wanted to see her off, so I arranged for a ride home to Reston with a friend of mine, secured my Glock in my safe at home, and went on my merry way. Being in a Hurry at the time, I left the holster on my belt, and headed up to the airport. We Dropped off the rental, caught the shuttle bus to the terminal, and I stood aside while I waited for her to check in. About 30 seconds later, I hear "Excuse me sir, could I have a word with you?", and turned around to find one of the many police officers you tend to see around the airport beckoning me aside. At this point I didn't really know what he wanted, so I walked over and asked how I could help him. He asks if I'm Law enforcement, and when I reply no, he asks why I'm wearing a holster on my belt. I tell him I live in Virginia, and normally carry a handgun, but removed it knowing that Maryland's laws are greatly different from my home state. Right about now another officer joins the first, and another 4 or 5 are watching from nearby.Conundrum wrote:Openly carrying a holster in MD?! That's just insanity...and could easily be construed as to allow reasonable suspicion for a thourough searching.
"Hey, what's with the holster? You got a holster permit?"
"But there's no gun in my holster, I'm just trying to make a statement about..."
"But it has the ability to carry a gun, so it must be dangerous."
At about this point Officer 1 demands to see my driver's liscence, saying he wants to run a check on it. I politely refused the request, though I did end up giving him my name because I wasn't 100% sure on Maryland's stop and identify laws. He radios my name off to his dispatcher to try to dreg up something to arrest me for, and in the meantime he and his friend lecture me on how I shouldn't wear a holster to the airport, how it's a code orange threat level today, how it's suspicious, asking if I had a permit to open carry in VA, etc. One of them tries to tell me that he's been down to VA numerous times, and "Saw nothing that would indicate that Virginia is an Open Carry State". Now, being a good little OCing Virginian, I happened to have in my pocket a few copies of the VDCL's Virginia Law Cards, whihc I was more than happy to allow the officer to review. He spend a while looking over the card, and returned it to me without comment. I did get the two officers to grudgingly admit that there was no crime in wearing an empty holster to the airport, or anywhere else in MD. They did suggest though, that I untuck my shirt next time and pull it over the holster. I told them that If I did that, and the bottom of the holster managed to peek out, there would be no easy way to ascertain whether or not my holster is empty, which would undoubtebly cause more problems.
Long story short......
My Girlfriend will never again take a flight that doesn't come in or out of Dulles.
NetrangerM
Sonora Rebel
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More errand boys sent by grocery clerks...
More errand boys sent by grocery clerks...
Virginian683
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NetRangerM wrote
It's very possible you'd get just as much hassle at Dulles. Post 9/11 airports are police states, no matter where they're located. I almost got arrested at Newport News/Williamsburg just for being in the hallway leading to the terminal without a valid ticket. This is at least 100 ft away from the "point of no return" security checkpoint. There are various displays and exhibits in the hallway for visitors to read. I was simply standing at one reading about the history of the area, and a TSA ninja approaches me and asks if I have a ticket. When I reply in the negative, he curtly informs me "then you're not even supposed to be here."
Not to mention Dulles is in northern Virginia. I'm afraid most of VA north of Fredricksburg is has been culturally annexed by Maryland. The Yankees occupied northern VA in the Civil War and it seems they never really left. :?
NetRangerM wrote
It's very possible you'd get just as much hassle at Dulles. Post 9/11 airports are police states, no matter where they're located. I almost got arrested at Newport News/Williamsburg just for being in the hallway leading to the terminal without a valid ticket. This is at least 100 ft away from the "point of no return" security checkpoint. There are various displays and exhibits in the hallway for visitors to read. I was simply standing at one reading about the history of the area, and a TSA ninja approaches me and asks if I have a ticket. When I reply in the negative, he curtly informs me "then you're not even supposed to be here."
Not to mention Dulles is in northern Virginia. I'm afraid most of VA north of Fredricksburg is has been culturally annexed by Maryland. The Yankees occupied northern VA in the Civil War and it seems they never really left. :?
kohburn
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its not MD, its DC
the further you get from DC the better everything is. Baltimore just stretches DC deep into MD, but the farther from the baltimore-washington-metro area the better.
its not MD, its DC
the further you get from DC the better everything is. Baltimore just stretches DC deep into MD, but the farther from the baltimore-washington-metro area the better.
NetRangerM
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Virginian683 wrote:
I haven't yet. She flies in and out of DC at least once a month, usually through Dulles. (Side Note, Long Distance Relationships Suck) If I'm just picking her up or dropping her off in the traffic loops, I've gotten out of my car while OCing in view of VA police. None of them have ever said a word to me, because in VA, it's legal to OC to the airport as long as you don't go into the terminal buildings. On occasions where I need to go into the airport to help her with bags or something like that, I secure the firearm in a locking case in my car, and go in, and noone has ever said anything about the empty holster on my belt. Again, I've been in plain view of the police, and I'm almost positive they saw it, but since it's not against the law, they did what they were supposed to do..... nothing.
NetRangerM
Virginian683 wrote:
I haven't yet. She flies in and out of DC at least once a month, usually through Dulles. (Side Note, Long Distance Relationships Suck) If I'm just picking her up or dropping her off in the traffic loops, I've gotten out of my car while OCing in view of VA police. None of them have ever said a word to me, because in VA, it's legal to OC to the airport as long as you don't go into the terminal buildings. On occasions where I need to go into the airport to help her with bags or something like that, I secure the firearm in a locking case in my car, and go in, and noone has ever said anything about the empty holster on my belt. Again, I've been in plain view of the police, and I'm almost positive they saw it, but since it's not against the law, they did what they were supposed to do..... nothing.
NetRangerM
junglebob
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echo6tango wrote:
I need to mention open carry in a vehicle in rural areas is prohibited.
echo6tango wrote:
If you ever come to Illinois you could open carry in rural unincorporated areas, unless prohibited by county ordinance. Sorry no concealed carry here, unless you are law enforcement, p.i. , security person, or alderman, mayor, village president or trustee. There was at least one Chicago alderman (or is it alderwoman) Dorothy Tillman who carried, in the city with the most oppressive weapons laws in the state.I OC or CC in every State that I go to...I just don't do it in the State that I live in...you know, the place that I actually REALLY should :banghead:. When in Maryland, I obediently line up with the rest of the sheep in the slaughter line
I need to mention open carry in a vehicle in rural areas is prohibited.