ChinChin
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I waslistening to aguy at a local gun store who was relating a story to a group of customers on how he refused to be disarmed during a traffic stop. In his tale, he had been a passenger in a vehicle which was coming home from a wedding reception down south of Richmond. The driver had a bit of a led foot and after being stopped for speeding, apparently found out he had a bench warrant out of Prince William County for a failure to appear for some previous court appearance (traffic related offense I think) and the officer (Henrico) decided to use that to begin an investigation and wanted to search the car and the other 3 occupants.
This gentlemen relating the story said he informed the officer he had a concealed firearm which he had a permit to carry and provided the officer with his ID and permit from his shirt pocket as he was instructed to do. The officer informed the storyteller that he wanted to remove his firearm for “officer safety” to which the gentlemen declined and invoked his 4[suP]th[/suP] amendment right. He said the officer ran the gambit from attempting to intimidate, to trying to guilt him over previous officers deaths, to threatening to remove it by force and throw him in jail. The CC’er said he told the officer there was no law in the commonwealth which even mentioned the words “Officer Safety” and thus he could not demand, order or cajole a person to waive their 4[suP]th[/suP] amendment right, only request. . .which he was declining to do.
According to the person telling the story, this officer and his backup continued for about 10 minutes to threaten and harass, then to insult with what he called the “typical mud rakes of Junior Lawyer, wannabe cop and Wyatt Erp,” but in the end he never disarmed, never allowed himself to be disarmed, and the Police knowing they had no law to back their claim of “officer safety” couldn’t do anything about It.
Now, this wouldn’t be the first time that I’ve overheard gunstore machismo, and while my crap-o-meter was beginning to ping while the story was being told; after getting back home I too couldn’t find anything in the Commonwealth LIC search to back up “officer safety” or a law allowing you to lawfully be disarmed if you are not wanted for a crime and/or the LEO has no PC against you for any suspected crime.
I’m still on the fence as to the factual nature of this alleged encounter, but the implication has piqued my interest enough that I wanted to see if anybody else has heard similar tales?
I waslistening to aguy at a local gun store who was relating a story to a group of customers on how he refused to be disarmed during a traffic stop. In his tale, he had been a passenger in a vehicle which was coming home from a wedding reception down south of Richmond. The driver had a bit of a led foot and after being stopped for speeding, apparently found out he had a bench warrant out of Prince William County for a failure to appear for some previous court appearance (traffic related offense I think) and the officer (Henrico) decided to use that to begin an investigation and wanted to search the car and the other 3 occupants.
This gentlemen relating the story said he informed the officer he had a concealed firearm which he had a permit to carry and provided the officer with his ID and permit from his shirt pocket as he was instructed to do. The officer informed the storyteller that he wanted to remove his firearm for “officer safety” to which the gentlemen declined and invoked his 4[suP]th[/suP] amendment right. He said the officer ran the gambit from attempting to intimidate, to trying to guilt him over previous officers deaths, to threatening to remove it by force and throw him in jail. The CC’er said he told the officer there was no law in the commonwealth which even mentioned the words “Officer Safety” and thus he could not demand, order or cajole a person to waive their 4[suP]th[/suP] amendment right, only request. . .which he was declining to do.
According to the person telling the story, this officer and his backup continued for about 10 minutes to threaten and harass, then to insult with what he called the “typical mud rakes of Junior Lawyer, wannabe cop and Wyatt Erp,” but in the end he never disarmed, never allowed himself to be disarmed, and the Police knowing they had no law to back their claim of “officer safety” couldn’t do anything about It.
Now, this wouldn’t be the first time that I’ve overheard gunstore machismo, and while my crap-o-meter was beginning to ping while the story was being told; after getting back home I too couldn’t find anything in the Commonwealth LIC search to back up “officer safety” or a law allowing you to lawfully be disarmed if you are not wanted for a crime and/or the LEO has no PC against you for any suspected crime.
I’m still on the fence as to the factual nature of this alleged encounter, but the implication has piqued my interest enough that I wanted to see if anybody else has heard similar tales?