Shooting in Quantico base...

[usaf0906]

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DrMark wrote:

cbackous wrote:

DrMark wrote:

thnycav wrote:

They will also be cited for posing a firearm on federal property.

What law does firearms possession on Federal property violate?

As much as this topic comes up on gun-related forums, I've never seen an explanation for this.

I believe its 18 USC § 930. firearms in federal Facilities

No, that is only applicable to buildings, not to Federal property in general.

"As used in this section ...the term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties."

Well wouldnt a military base be full of buildings owned or leased by the federal government, where federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties?

As far as firearms being allowed on base, I believe the base commander has a little flex with this, but obviously it is still federal property.

If you think this doesnt apply, or that you should be allowed to carry, since it is for a "lawful purpose" (self-defense) go ahead and try to be the test case. I think I have a pretty good idea how it will turn out.

 

[Hawkflyer]

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Well at least on the bases around here, firearms carry is not proscribed generally. There are a lot of people carrying weapons, but all of them are involved in exercises or activities of one kind or another. So what IS proscribed is carry by certain types of people. A civilian carrying a weapon in an area OTHER than a designated hunting location or range would be stopped for sure. But the sight of 120 soldiers on the road in full battle gear is not rare, and of course that sound of gunfire is a constant as are explosions of all kinds.

Regards

 

[DrMark]

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cbackous wrote:

DrMark wrote:

cbackous wrote:

DrMark wrote:

thnycav wrote:

They will also be cited for posing a firearm on federal property.

What law does firearms possession on Federal property violate?

As much as this topic comes up on gun-related forums, I've never seen an explanation for this.

I believe its 18 USC § 930. firearms in federal Facilities

No, that is only applicable to buildings, not to Federal property in general.

"As used in this section ...the term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties."

Well wouldnt a military base be full of buildings owned or leased by the federal government, where federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties?

As far as firearms being allowed on base, I believe the base commander has a little flex with this, but obviously it is still federal property.

If you think this doesnt apply, or that you should be allowed to carry, since it is for a "lawful purpose" (self-defense) go ahead and try to be the test case. I think I have a pretty good idea how it will turn out.

Of course a military installation is full of Federal facilities, and of course an installation Commander has discretion via policy, and of course USC18s930 applies to the facilities on a military installation (note the signs on the doors).

I simply would like to learn what law would be in play for civilian weapons posession on Federal property outside of Federal facilities. If you were commenting on that, then, I'm sorry, I missed your point.

Note, for example, the recent modification of Federal regulation preventing carry in National Parks. We'll soon be able to carry on that Federal property, though USC18s930 will still apply to the facilities thereon.

 

[thnycav]

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Ft Eustis and Ft Story are the same strict inspections and they are still doing it. I would think Ft Bragg would do the same.

 

[nova]

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DrMark wrote:

Note, for example, the recent modification of Federal regulation preventing carry in National Parks. We'll soon be able to carry on that Federal property, though USC18s930 will still apply to the facilities thereon.

Well that's kinda crazy...you can carry in a National Park but you're not allowed to use the restroom!!! :banghead::what:

 

[CRF250rider1000]

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nova wrote:

DrMark wrote:

Note, for example, the recent modification of Federal regulation preventing carry in National Parks. We'll soon be able to carry on that Federal property, though USC18s930 will still apply to the facilities thereon.

Well that's kinda crazy...you can carry in a National Park but you're not allowed to use the restroom!!! :banghead::what:

I think you are supposed to just give your gun to someone to hold while you are in the bathroom:uhoh:

 

[DrMark]

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CRF250rider1000 wrote:

nova wrote:

DrMark wrote:

Note, for example, the recent modification of Federal regulation preventing carry in National Parks. We'll soon be able to carry on that Federal property, though USC18s930 will still apply to the facilities thereon.

Well that's kinda crazy...you can carry in a National Park but you're not allowed to use the restroom!!! :banghead::what:

I think you are supposed to just give your gun to someone to hold while you are in the bathroom:uhoh:

"I've gotta pee... Can I get you to hold something for me?" :uhoh:

But seriously, some on various gun forums have pointed out that stand-alone restroom facilities typically don't have "Federal employees regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties" as per USC18s930.

However, bathrooms in facilities like Visitor Centers... :X

 

[altajava]

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DrMark wrote:

cbackous wrote:

DrMark wrote:

thnycav wrote:

They will also be cited for posing a firearm on federal property.

What law does firearms possession on Federal property violate?

As much as this topic comes up on gun-related forums, I've never seen an explanation for this.

I believe its 18 USC § 930. firearms in federal Facilities

No, that is only applicable to buildings, not to Federal property in general.

"As used in this section ...the term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties."

So what about carrying at a national cemetery?

 

[MSC 45ACP]

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At the entrance to National Cemetaries I've seen signs like those at military bases. No guns. Period.

 

[Wolf_shadow]

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IIRC National Cemeteries are operated by the VA. The service members buried there served to fight for our rights and now to visit them you have give up your right to bear arms.

:cuss:

 

[MSC 45ACP]

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Wolf_shadow wrote:

IIRC National Cemeteries are operated by the VA. The service members buried there served to fight for our rights and now to visit them you have give up your right to bear arms.

:cuss:

I'm with you there, Wolf. I REALLY wish I could CC at the VA hospital when I go there, too. Have you ever SEEN some of the characters there? There isn't any "gate" to keep the riff-raff out of the place and its full of degenerates just hanging around. They never go anywhere, they just sit there. I've been in and out for my appointments and they're still in the same place. Weird.